e cig lights up an elderly lady at a hospital - the sun (tomorrow)

[LilyRed]

The pure oxygen in oxy acetylene is to give a cleaner hotter flame true. But trust me, pure oxygen is quite capable of making interesting and upsetting things happen when a source of ignition is added, there's more than a few accidents happened do to engineers smoking in overalls that have become impregnated with oxygen due to leaking regulators/pipework in an enclosed area.

As I say though, I highly doubt that an ecig coil ignited that oxygen, if that is indeed what happened, unless the regulator/pipe work had saturated all her bedding with pure oxygen - no fuel. And a fire needs oxygen, ignition source and FUEL to burn.

Amongst other things, OH carries out confined spaces investigations mostly for civils (pipelines etc) and housebuilding Not nice - H&S blokes can develop a very dark sense of humour

However, just having a convo with him about this as he's also recently done Hospital estates H&S at Barnsley and studied all this to give staff inductions. -so we have - a lot of fires of this sort are caused elderly or older people, especially those with diminished lung function who are on oxygen therapy and feel that the safety regs don't apply to them, they are immune and so spark up a crafty fag: The cellular blankets that hospitals use are known to be a major fire hazard as they hold a lot of air/gas because of their construction: until quite recently leaks developing on faulty regulators on oxygen cylinders was a huge problem - in theory this has now been rectified, but incorrect use or fitting of the oxygen delivery system is still a problem. (and now I'm preaching to the converted as I know you know this gords , but many members might not) ... and for now, last but not least - A saturated oxygen environment lowers the flash point of combustible substances by a huge amount, so something that would ordinarily need an extremely high temperature to ignite, say a thousand or more degrees Celsius, will now only need about 150deg Celsius ....

So ... 99 reasons why this might have happened, and an e-cig ain't one...

 

[Motorheaded]

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"Society" - freaky movie.
Don't know if this was intended, but it would be a good reference to the boys-club they are trying to protect.

Damn you Roadhog! lol
Note to self - Must read other comments first.

 

[gords1001]

The situation I'm envisaging is pulling her mask and letting it rest on her chesr, therefore her blankets and it still wafting oxygen out.

I can't test this right now as I'm on my way to a breakdown, but I am tempted to do a little video, myth busters style. Be nice to post it up on the newspapers comments section. ...

 

[Mawsley]

When my mum got admitted into hospital last year late at night,we asked the ward nurse if she could use her ecig.She was abit adamant...

Damn.

I must have missed the issue where he became a female nurse.

 

[LilyRed]

Erm, just in defence of the nursing/ medical staff here. I will just add into the mix that unless the hospital has a clearly defined policy on e cigs that has clearly identified vaping as a potential risk, most staff would not be aware of the dangers .Yes, -we know there is a red hot coil inside an ecig, but a non vaper wouldn't..

Even when a hospital has an ecig policy in place, I suspect that the decision has been made purely based on the smoke/vape debate.
#justsayin

By 'eck, I type so slowly and have got so many interruptions at the moment, I'm still reading posts from well over an hour ago

I've just had a look through some of the literature produced by various hospital trusts and HCAs around the country on medical oxygen; expressly the use of e-cigs around oxygen and so far there is absolutely nothing

The BOC Home oxygen handbook - in collaboration with the NHS (here simply has a short sentence on the dangers of smoking around oxygen, and states
"If a patient is found not to have a working smoke
alarm/detector in their property the local FRS will
be informed on a weekly basis. Patients who ignore
fire safety advice e.g. smoking on or around oxygen
therapy will also be referred to their local FRS."
(FRS = Fire & Rescue Service)

So e-cigs/vaping remains a complete unknown in the equation for both healthcare staff and patients - unless they are vapers and understand how their PVDs work ...

I have had more than one argument/debate with the OH about the use of e-cigs in the workplace - his position on hospitals is no smoking or use of e-cigs inside the building or on grounds: at the moment e-cig/vaping policy at all workplaces is effectively governed by whatever (silly nonsense) your senior H&S, Occ Health and/or HR bod believes, as you say based on the vape debate Until the HSE stop discussing what to do about them and actually produce some policy (their discussion has been going on since around last May or so...) their jury is out ...

 

[Mawsley]

I can't get it out of my head. Sorry.

http://youtu.be/4B2a6l6wM2k

 

[Fleabag]

Of course this woman shouldn't have been permitted to use the ecig near oxygen, but I don't think we should dismiss the idea of patients being permitted to vape as long as there's no risk.
There's a Dr who manages a number of wards somewhere in the NHS who distributes them to his smoking patients, which I think is an admirable step to supporting them to avoid traipsing outside for a fag & hopefully making longer term harm reduction choices.
I believe he also permits staff to vape (presumably in staff only/break areas).
Good on him. This is the common sense you get when wards are managed by medics, rather than administrators

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[gords1001]

Yeah. Science bitch

[video]http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ae3VQJ8bpA#[/video]

 

[gords1001]

LilyRed Mark steffijade

 

[eshelby_dunn]

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Sun=Scum. As a true red I wouldn't buy/read/beleave a word it printed, that rag isn't good enough for a tramp to wipe his arse with.