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How do you steep?

Welllll this has all got sketchy.
In short, in summary, in brief do what you want, do what ever you THINK works as long as you're happy with the result. Those taking note my first comment on the first page is proven to show solid/conclusive results. Its a method used by most vapers - Someone able/willing to disprove it? We all know letting a juice stand changes it for better, sometimes worse. The fact that no-one has invented a 'steeping machine' kind of proves a point. If innokin could make money out of steeping they'd be on it.

The term 'let it steep' keyword being 'let' i.e leave it alone.
 
What is it you're wanting to prove?

This is the best example I've seen so far of a relatively controlled test about steeping, same juice, same tanks, same mod, the only difference is the treatment of the liquid. You can see the different methods have different effects on the juice and it certainly echoes my experiences when it comes to the taste.

I wonder about people who think steeping is a myth and can't taste any difference.

My advice would be to do your own experimentation under similar conditions, get someone to do a blind test for you so you can sample the results without knowing what you're tasting and see what you think, after all when it comes to you and your juice all that matters is your own opinion.

When you do, let us know the results! Until then, there's this.

Regarding the scientific processes and chemical difference between steeped and fresh juice well, we won't know that until someone commissions a lab to do some testing which may never happen.

As I always say, if someone can't taste the difference or see the benefit in steeping then great, you've saved yourself some time.

I do not doubt that doing stuff to a juice can change the flavour.
I do know from threads on here that some like their custard fresh and others after months.
So doing something that makes it better in your opinion may make it worse for someone else.
People should try whatever they like to see what they prefer.

Few people do any experimenting and too many people just want to be told what is best.
I know from testing juices with a bunch of apes earlier in the year how different people taste different things in the same juice

You say that vid is the best experiment you have seen. I refer to my previous post and add that he says things like
this one tastes better because it has been breathed and steeped properly which is the sort of bias you do not want in an experiment, if you expect a certain result from something as subjective as taste you are more likely to find it.He mentions you have to be careful using heat because it degrades nicotine but not that air contact also degrades nicotine because he believes in breathing.

I am happy with the results I get with my method so do not feel the urge to experiment further perhaps if I mix something horrible I may try some other methods.

I believe that individual personality has a lot to do with whether people go for simple or complex steeping procedures and that you/me/anybody should not be too dogmatic about what works and what does not.

My belief is taste is subjective and ther is a wide range of different chemicals combined in different ways in flavours, so it is likely no method is right for every person and every flavour.

It is good for mixers to know there are a range of opinions on steeping.

Voodoo works if you believe in it, my voodoo works for me because I can construct a scientific rational. I want the components to mix but to limit oxidation as to me oxidation is synonymous with degradation others actively want to encourage oxidation so they want to froth and breath their juices and I am shake and leave. Heat will thin liquid so help mixing but speed oxidation so for me I prefer to wait.Others can construct a different scientific rational for a different method but till the science is done it is all voodoo to me.
 
Technically it can't "steep" anyway. The process is more like maturation [emoji23]
 
Me personally I make my juice stick it in a cupboard and shake them twice a day. But I also (no laughing you buggers) take them down the gym twice a week and throw them on the vibe plate for as long as possible. Get a few funny looks watching a cardboard box but sod em!
 
I do everything, cos I can.
Shake, ultrasonic bath for an hour or more, shake some more.
Put it away for a week, shake it often, sniff at it longingly then put it away again.
Shake plenty more over the next week then cain it.
Two weeks seems to be the sweet spot for my desserts but thats just my opinion...
 
I do everything, cos I can.
Shake, ultrasonic bath for an hour or more, shake some more.
Put it away for a week, shake it often, sniff at it longingly then put it away again.
Shake plenty more over the next week then cain it.
Two weeks seems to be the sweet spot for my desserts but thats just my opinion...



That sounds like my willy washing routine.
 
I do not doubt that doing stuff to a juice can change the flavour.
I do know from threads on here that some like their custard fresh and others after months.
So doing something that makes it better in your opinion may make it worse for someone else.
People should try whatever they like to see what they prefer.

Few people do any experimenting and too many people just want to be told what is best.
I know from testing juices with a bunch of apes earlier in the year how different people taste different things in the same juice

You say that vid is the best experiment you have seen. I refer to my previous post and add that he says things like
this one tastes better because it has been breathed and steeped properly which is the sort of bias you do not want in an experiment, if you expect a certain result from something as subjective as taste you are more likely to find it.He mentions you have to be careful using heat because it degrades nicotine but not that air contact also degrades nicotine because he believes in breathing.

I am happy with the results I get with my method so do not feel the urge to experiment further perhaps if I mix something horrible I may try some other methods.

I believe that individual personality has a lot to do with whether people go for simple or complex steeping procedures and that you/me/anybody should not be too dogmatic about what works and what does not.

My belief is taste is subjective and ther is a wide range of different chemicals combined in different ways in flavours, so it is likely no method is right for every person and every flavour.

It is good for mixers to know there are a range of opinions on steeping.

Voodoo works if you believe in it, my voodoo works for me because I can construct a scientific rational. I want the components to mix but to limit oxidation as to me oxidation is synonymous with degradation others actively want to encourage oxidation so they want to froth and breath their juices and I am shake and leave. Heat will thin liquid so help mixing but speed oxidation so for me I prefer to wait.Others can construct a different scientific rational for a different method but till the science is done it is all voodoo to me.

I'm sorry, I don't know what you're talking about or why you commented.

All I said was 'steeping' wasn't hokum and there is a transformation based on what you do to a juice. Then you came in saying it proves nothing 'one man's subjective opinion' etc and turned it into 'a thing'.

Yeah well taste is subjective, we all know that, people like different things too, again this isn't news. Steeping affects your juice, different actions yield different results within a given timeframe.

People may prefer the changes or not.

I don't know what you're saying here.
 
I'm sorry, I don't know what you're talking about or why you commented.

All I said was 'steeping' wasn't hokum and there is a transformation based on what you do to a juice. Then you came in saying it proves nothing 'one man's subjective opinion' etc and turned it into 'a thing'.

Yeah well taste is subjective, we all know that, people like different things too, again this isn't news. Steeping affects your juice, different actions yield different results within a given timeframe.

People may prefer the changes or not.

I don't know what you're saying here.

Ok lets knock this on the head.
My response was to the video which I still think illustrates nothing but I can tell you are getting irked and that was not my intention.
If anything my intention was only to promote the idea that people should find out for themselves.
You can have last shot If you like.I am finished with this thread.
 
Ok lets knock this on the head.
My response was to the video which I still think illustrates nothing but I can tell you are getting irked and that was not my intention.
If anything my intention was only to promote the idea that people should find out for themselves.
You can have last shot If you like.I am finished with this thread.

I agree, in an ideal world everyone would try everything and find out what works for them but people don't do that, people make posts asking what they should do.

You're not going to get 'proof' on something as subjective as taste. All I said was this person had made an effort to see (under relatively controlled conditions) if 'steeping' makes a difference to the taste of e liquid, that was it.

Maybe if you had unlimited funds you could commission a lab to analyze what happens to the liquid in each of these instances (shaking, whisking, heating etc) and how that affects the liquid at a chemical level, then employ thousands of people to do blind taste tests to try and find a definitive answer about what was 'better' statistically but then what would be the point in all this effort, all this 'proof' if you as an individual don't like the results of steeping?

Like I said, I'm struggling to find your point or what you were bringing to the discussion, all you did was create an issue.
 
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