I heard rumour, govs secretly passing law.

[EthelKing]

I think you are right KMS. It's been done abroad before, and I think it will happen here too.

Clive Bates suggested that regulation should be individually tailored to the market in question, and that regulation along the lines of cosmetic products regulation would be a viable and much more suitable model for vaping.

However, whatever happens, regulation will occur and the current "freedom of choice" we have is likely to be affected either to some degree, or to a large degree, depending on how things end up going.

As I said, I don't want to be a nay-sayer, but I am under no illusion that everything will carry in as normal, even if a legal challenge is successful.

I predict a Planet of the Vapes speakeasy forum, with you on the door and the marketplace vendors supplying all that we need to overcome prohibition!

 

[MrKraken]

Roll up roll up. Get your fruit scented weed killer heeeeere

 

[LordLucan]

Time to stockpile..

 

[Chegs]

Just let anyone try and stop me applying a voltage to a coiled up piece of wire without it being tested! I'll also stock up on the ingredients so I can continue vaping and if I get really angry,I'll go sit in a bar in Parliament and blow clouds at every moronic MP within range!

Sent by lazer from just north of the world's largest nuclear dustbin

 

[EthelKing]

Roll up roll up. Get your fruit scented weed killer heeeeere

And that is EXACTLY what the powers that be haven't thought through. Its a lot easier to import a 30ml bottle of pure nicotine than a litre or so of pre-diluted base mix. Not that I would advocate anyone handling the pure stuff - but it doesn't take a lot to predict what may happen is it when substances which are being bought everyday by hundreds of people suddenly becomes illegal and unavailable. Desperate and aggrieved people will take higher risks. I just don't understand how the policy makers fail to see it.

 

[Ninjaassasin1983]

I think there will be some kind of regulation because the government has to just wade in when people are having good harmless fun. they just don't like vapers because they can't tax the juices and kit as they can with cigarettes. That's what its going to come down to tax rates on products.
but there are always loopholes to be found in legislation and i'm sure ecita and ecca and the fine people on this forum can overcome whatever cameron's nazis throw at us.

 

[EthelKing]

but there are always loopholes to be found in legislation and i'm sure ecita and ecca and the fine people on this forum can overcome whatever cameron's nazis throw at us.

...and I for one am willing to stand up and be counted. Aside from anything else, my freedom of choice is being fecked over royally, and I am not at all comfortable with that.

There are many ways around things, as you quite rightly say. Snus is illegal to sell in the UK, but you can import it for personal use, and I am sure many overseas suppliers will be happy to continue to export their base juices, especially as they will be handed 90% of the UK trade on a plate by the UK government itself. Good luck to customs trying to identify what is what when it arrives in the UK. Mission impossible.

 

[Sassy]

This really does bother me.
After finally getting off the cigs and really enjoying vaping, I'm really REALLY worried what the future will hold for average vaper joe like me who doesn't DIY and watch to try and enjoy the juices of SO many vendors here in the Uk that come up with some bloody amazing stuff.

I suppose some of it is fear of the unknown, I started vaping less than 7 weeks ago so literally a week or two before the EU vote that decided to reject turning them into medicines. I still don't know/understand all the ins and outs and have no idea that if they did do what they wanted to do in October how it would affect me, the normal consumer with regards to things like flavours, prices, availability etc

It's almost beginning to make me feel like vaping is one of those 'too good to be true' things that comes along and gets shat on from a great height.

If things happen as they usually do we can expect a Labour government in 2016 and we know the vast majority of the party are all for regulating them. Even if that were not the case and the Tories somehow stayed in government then they have already decided 'fuck the EU, we're doing it anyway' so what else can stop them really?

I know this probably sounds really over-dramatic but I hold my hands up and admit that I'm scared about it. Vaping means a lot to me, it's saving my health, my chances of being with my kids for longer is improving...we all know the benefits of not smoking, I needn't list them all.

What the fuck do we do if they do make them medicinal?
What's likely to happen?
Are there things average joes like me can do in the meantime if this were all to go ahead?

I've kept these questions to myself for a while now as I didn't want to come across as a drama queen that doesn't know anything about it (the latter is most certainly true really) but my concerns are growing enough now to sit down and ask, especially after Dexters post.

 

[Ninjaassasin1983]

that is very true Dexter and it won't stop the shysters from selling crap you'll have every market stall wannabe thinking they're walter white before we know it and trying to cut weedkiller to a safe strength then they'll say oh look what ecigs have done now even after the regulation why can't they just leave things as they are and let us get on with it sure a licence to sell and an industry standard may be needed to get rid of all the stupid crap sellers but it should be like a personal licence to work as a bar manager and it should be reviewed once a year by a governing body the crap merchants would't bother applying for a licence so everybody would be happy and know they were getting good merchandise they could use potv vendors on the marketplace as a benchmark for good quality and service - the damage is being done by these crap merchants selling junk, lying journalists overblowing every little story that comes about on the subject of ecigs, and the ignorant people who believe everything the government tells them to believe rather than gaining knowledge of a subject they go ooh thats bad because cameron says it is.

 

[Ninjaassasin1983]

This really does bother me.
After finally getting off the cigs and really enjoying vaping, I'm really REALLY worried what the future will hold for average vaper joe like me who doesn't DIY and watch to try and enjoy the juices of SO many vendors here in the Uk that come up with some bloody amazing stuff.

I suppose some of it is fear of the unknown, I started vaping less than 7 weeks ago so literally a week or two before the EU vote that decided to reject turning them into medicines. I still don't know/understand all the ins and outs and have no idea that if they did do what they wanted to do in October how it would affect me, the normal consumer with regards to things like flavours, prices, availability etc

It's almost beginning to make me feel like vaping is one of those 'too good to be true' things that comes along and gets shat on from a great height.

If things happen as they usually do we can expect a Labour government in 2016 and we know the vast majority of the party are all for regulating them. Even if that were not the case and the Tories somehow stayed in government then they have already decided 'fuck the EU, we're doing it anyway' so what else can stop them really?

I know this probably sounds really over-dramatic but I hold my hands up and admit that I'm scared about it. Vaping means a lot to me, it's saving my health, my chances of being with my kids for longer is improving...we all know the benefits of not smoking, I needn't list them all.

What the fuck do we do if they do make them medicinal?
What's likely to happen?
Are there things average joes like me can do in the meantime if this were all to go ahead?

I've kept these questions to myself for a while now as I didn't want to come across as a drama queen that doesn't know anything about it (the latter is most certainly true really) but my concerns are growing enough now to sit down and ask, especially after @Dexters post.

I agree sassy although i've only been vaping for just over 6 weeks i've really come to love it the kit the flavours the mods shiny bits and the people on here they are so passionate about this mutual interest we have don't worry yourself x WE SHALL NOT BE MOVED!