I'm having the vaccine when it comes out poll

[Rickster]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54947661
Covid-19: Labour calls for law to stop anti-vaccination fake news online

Suspicion of vaccines has been around almost as long as modern vaccines themselves.

But in recent years, the anti-vaccination - or "anti-vax"- movement has gained traction online. Social media has been blamed for allowing unfounded claims about vaccines to spread more easily.

In 2019, the UK lost its measles-free status designated by the World Health Organization - and there has been a marked decline in vaccination rates for all 13 diseases covered in jabs for children.

Since the pandemic, anti-vaccination campaigners have moved their focus to the coronavirus.

Difference here though is at the moment this covid vaccine is still on trial.

 

[Badboybez]

Difference here though is at the moment this covid vaccine is still on trial.

Of course it is not on trial.
It has already been tested on all of 43,000 people.

Oh hang on though, 50 % of them were given a placebo, so it's actually been tested on 21,500 people.

Of those only 90 % were immunised, so it has immunised only 19,350 people.

Add to that, on a tv programme last week it seems that you have to have two injections several weeks apart, and you will not be fully protected for two to three months.

Also at the moment it is uncertain how long it will keep you protected, and so have to do the whole thing again.

Don't get me wrong, anything to help the pandemic is to be welcomed, but it is not exactly the "wonder" drug it is currently lauded to be.

Population of the UK is now ~68 million.

Wonder what the population of the world is at the moment...................................

 

[vapesmarter]

Of course it is not on trial.
It has already been tested on all of 43,000 people.

Oh hang on though, 50 % of them were given a placebo, so it's actually been tested on 21,500 people.

Of those only 90 % were immunised, so it has immunised only 19,350 people.

Add to that, on a tv programme last week it seems that you have to have two injections several weeks apart, and you will not be fully protected for two to three months.

Also at the moment it is uncertain how long it will keep you protected, and so have to do the whole thing again.

Don't get me wrong, anything to help the pandemic is to be welcomed, but it is not exactly the "wonder" drug it is currently lauded to be.

Population of the UK is now ~68 million.

Wonder what the population of the world is at the moment...................................

https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/

lots of zeros

 

[andipandi]

https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/

lots of zeros

Is that accurate? Crazy the way the population is increasing every second. Roughly 3 births to every death

 

[oldhippydude]

Difference here though is at the moment this covid vaccine is still on trial.

Not sure what your point is?

If you are saying that because a vaccine has not been approved for use yet and the data has not been published yet then it is too early to decide whether having the vaccine is a good idea. Then I would have to agree that you have a point.

I have also not seen any info on how effective it is for older people, who often have weaker immune responses to vaccines (there are positive results for an Australian vaccine for older people but it is unlikely to reach approval for about a year). Some people are letting their optimism get ahead of the current evidence.

Before any vaccine is approved for use, the data will be published and the regulatory authorities and other experts will get their chance to raise any safety concerns. I think the main division between pro and anti vaxers, is between those that will trust the experts and those that will prefer to believe any nonsense they read on facebook because the experts are all part of the conspiracy.

Personally I am not sure what the best strategy to counter nonsense on the internet is. Not long ago I would have thought that you counter bad information with good information but my faith in peoples ability to tell the difference is increasingly being eroded. I think this is a big problem for society that needs addressing, not just in relation to covid or vaccines. I do not have answers but it has to include educating kids in school in critical thinking. There also needs to be forums where idiots can come out of their echo chambers and argue their cases with experts.

 

[oldhippydude]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54949799

The impact of a new Covid vaccine will kick in significantly over summer and life should be back to normal by next winter, one of its creators has said.


If everything continued to go well, he said, the vaccine would begin to be delivered at the "end of this year, beginning of next year".

The goal was to deliver more than 300 million doses worldwide by next April, he said, which "could allow us to only start to make an impact".

He said the bigger impact would happen later, adding: "Summer will help us because the infection rate will go down in the summer and what is absolutely essential is that we get a high vaccination rate until or before autumn/winter next year."

Prof Sahin said it was essential that all immunisation programmes were completed before next autumn.

 

[zouzounaki]

Not sure what your point is?

If you are saying that because a vaccine has not been approved for use yet and the data has not been published yet then it is too early to decide whether having the vaccine is a good idea. Then I would have to agree that you have a point.

I have also not seen any info on how effective it is for older people, who often have weaker immune responses to vaccines (there are positive results for an Australian vaccine for older people but it is unlikely to reach approval for about a year). Some people are letting their optimism get ahead of the current evidence.

Before any vaccine is approved for use, the data will be published and the regulatory authorities and other experts will get their chance to raise any safety concerns. I think the main division between pro and anti vaxers, is between those that will trust the experts and those that will prefer to believe any nonsense they read on facebook because the experts are all part of the conspiracy.

Personally I am not sure what the best strategy to counter nonsense on the internet is. Not long ago I would have thought that you counter bad information with good information but my faith in peoples ability to tell the difference is increasingly being eroded. I think this is a big problem for society that needs addressing, not just in relation to covid or vaccines. I do not have answers but it has to include educating kids in school in critical thinking. There also needs to be forums where idiots can come out of their echo chambers and argue their cases with experts.

it’s a tricky one. people who have been sucked in to conspiracies are immune to facts and reality, as you say. potentially blocking it on social media etc. can stop others getting drawn in. but that reinforces those already in the delusion. it must be true because they are trying to censor it, and suchlike.

 

[oldhippydude]

it’s a tricky one. people who have been sucked in to conspiracies are immune to facts and reality, as you say. potentially blocking it on social media etc. can stop others getting drawn in. but that reinforces those already in the delusion. it must be true because they are trying to censor it, and suchlike.

Absolutely.
When I posted that link yesterday about labour calling for controls on fake vaccine info.
My first thought was that they will be seen as part of the conspiracy. it is just the way it is.

The hardcore Ike type conspiracy theorists are beyond help but perhaps a series of prime time TV shows where you invite 5G/ microchip vaccine/ qanon/ flat earth/ lizard people believers a 30min or 1 hour slot to make their case. Then you give the debunkers half that time to debunk then a head to head for the two sides.You could have ongoing updates on the latest twists as the conspiracy theorist explain how they are being poorly treated by these tv programs. You can safely continue giving the conspiracy theorists twice the air time because the have a harder job to do than the debunkers. If something like that does not help reduce the number of nonsense believers then there is no hope for humanity.

 

[ObiWanVaponi]

Flat Earthers Disprove Themselves With Own Experiments in Netflix Documentary

https://www.newsweek.com/behind-cur...riment-mark-sargent-documentary-movie-1343362

 

[oldhippydude]

Flat Earthers Disprove Themselves With Own Experiments in Netflix Documentary

https://www.newsweek.com/behind-cur...riment-mark-sargent-documentary-movie-1343362

"The reason why we're winning against science is that science just throws math at us,"

Lol