Linda McAvan calls on the Council to back preliminary deal on Tobacco Directive

[Sassy]

Getting my lippy on!

 

[steffijade]

The details still seem a bit hazy as far as I can see, but the basic upshot seems to be that those opposing the regulations have been persuaded to compromise and accept some of McAvan's demands after apparently falling for the 'greater good' bullshit argument.

McAvan's bunch have in effect, emotionally blackmailed the pro vaping bunch by lumping in vaping with tobacco and saying if the some of parts about vaping aren't agreed to, then the whole thing would fail and big tobacco would be able to get away with no extra regulation too.

That's where the real issue lies for me.

The pro vaping lobby should have refused to do any deals that were linked in with tobacco and demanded that if the EU wanted regulation of vaping that it should be done completely separately to tobacco. While ever vaping is lumped in together with smoking, we will always be vulnerable to bullshit claims like the gateway theory.

Anyhoo, it appears that a 'behind closed doors' deal was done that allows vaping to stay out of medical regulation but the trade off was a limit on nicotine content per ml (20mg is being proposed), refillables are to stay for now but a review will be done in 2016 and flavourings can stay for now, but along with refillables, national governments will be able to bring in whatever individual regulations they feel fit.

That's how I've understood it so far.

The elephant in the room as far as I can see is that vaping is now a prime candidate to be classified as tobacco and thus be liable for the same huge 'sin' taxation as smoking. Perhaps that was the real point of threatening medical regulation in the first place? To divert attention away from the fact that the biggest stakeholders (governments due to taxation income) wanted to be free to tax vaping heavily with as little opposition as possible. If we think we've gained a compromise/reprieve of some kind, then we won't kick up such a stink when they slap a huge tax duty on eliquid?

After all, the busybodies need to keep funding their gravy train somehow or they'll all end up unemployed.

 

[Tubbyengineer]

Purplefowler or Blossom , You Mods are a bit more up on this Twitter lark than me, Doesn't the EU Council and those involved in the TPD Trilogue have Twitter addresses? If so why are we not tweeting the crap out of them right now, let them know while theyre working that we dont like it and dont want it...

 

[Purplefowler]

@Purplefowler or @Blossom , You Mods are a bit more up on this Twitter lark than me, Doesn't the EU Council and those involved in the TPD Trilogue have Twitter addresses? If so why are we not tweeting the crap out of them right now, let them know while theyre working that we dont like it and dont want it...

Don't look at me!!! I have to come clean here and admit that I don't do twitter! It confuses me! I tried to join in with the twitter bomb cos we've all got to do our bit, but I don't understand it! Don't tell anyone though, it's my embarrassing secret!

 

[Blossom]

Sorry, just reading through these trying to get my head around all this:


http://www.chrisdaviesmep.org.uk/mep..._for_e_cigs#_=

http://libdemmeps.com/?p=1516

http://ecrgroup.eu/news/eu-set-to-in...-e-cigarettes/

http://www.europeanvoice.com/article...tes/79100.aspx

http://www.greens-efa.eu/eu-tobacco-rules-11316.html

I'll get back to you on a list of people to tweet to, unless KulrMeStoopid beats me to it (she usually does!)

 

[Tubbyengineer]

Don't look at me!!! I have to come clean here and admit that I don't do twitter! It confuses me! I tried to join in with the twitter bomb cos we've all got to do our bit, but I don't understand it! Don't tell anyone though, it's my embarrassing secret!

That's OK, same here. It just struck me that this would be the 21st century equivalent of standing outside the building chanting and waving placards to let those inside know what we think...

 

[Blossom]

Sorry, just reading through these trying to get my head around all this:


http://www.chrisdaviesmep.org.uk/mep..._for_e_cigs#_=

http://libdemmeps.com/?p=1516

http://ecrgroup.eu/news/eu-set-to-in...-e-cigarettes/

http://www.europeanvoice.com/article...tes/79100.aspx

http://www.greens-efa.eu/eu-tobacco-rules-11316.html

I'll get back to you on a list of people to tweet to, unless KulrMeStoopid beats me to it (she usually does!)

 

[Purplefowler]

That's OK, same here. It just struck me that this would be the 21st century equivalent of standing outside the building chanting and waving placards to let those inside know what we think...

Give me a placard and a loud speaker any day! I know where I am with an old fashioned protest

 

[Blossom]

Strange double post there - only 8 mins apart!!

 

[Doofry]

Sassy you made me snort tea out my nose with that pic!
It was funny and painful at the same time, and now trying to mop up tea out my keyboard

I know a few marines that are really into vaping, i should get them to see what that cockjugglingthunderc@nt macavan is doing!
I would hate to be her husband, i bet he doesn't get blowjobs just in case it is a gateway to smoking (the big fella)......