No Justification for a Public Ban on Vaping in Wales- Debate in The National Assembly

[Abyss]

The dopey Labour 'woman' the fat ugly one can't speak for more than 10 seconds without looking at her piece of paper.

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[tartanthing]

Mark Drakeford is clearly a corrupt little hamster & believes in all the nonsense dealt from the wrong side of the fence.
He claims he has evidence but openly refuses to present it. Someone somewhere is pulling his strings & people must be getting their pockets lined, why else would anyone stand against the current truth & evidence ? Who owns him ?

1) I suspect Mr Drakeford is a very small coglet in the Labour Machinery. Up here in Scotland it is obvious that Labour are controlled from UK HQ and are comically inept to be kind. If Wales is anything like Scotland then Labour hate Plaid as much as they hate SNP just because. This hatred is more than they hate the tories. Everything is party before principles now for labour.

2) Any chance we can swap Kirsty Williams for Wee Wullie Rennie? I feel so bad for her that the National Leadership have sold out to get a sniff at the warm seat of power.

 

[Cabbo]

It seems to me that the anti-vaping speaker needs to gain a better understanding of what constitutes evidence. No distinction is made between once- an continuous users of e cigarettes. Even if continuous use was demonstrated, the gateway argument is unsupported as no link (causal or correlative) from ecigarettes to tobacco is shown.

He assumes knowledge based on inconclusive non-science and acts personally affronted when asked to present it.

 

[Fleabag]

There's also the issue that in all other areas of public health, decisions are taken for the greater good, not based on isolated variations of the norm. For example, if a particular vaccination is found to cause harm (even fatally) in one per million recipients, but a vaccination programme will prevent a one per thousand death, the decision to impose a national vaccination programme would be deemed to be a positive public health decision.
More disturbing for potential sufferers, the decision to introduce widespread screening for diseases is based on cost of the screening against cost of treating conditions not caught early. If the former is cheaper than the latter, it's considered worth doing.
Public health is taking a completely different line with vaping when they know that the number of people abstaining from smoking through ecig use far outweighs the number of never-smokers starting to vape.
Trying to restrict vaping goes against all public health principles

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[robteifi]

Y Byd ar Bedwar (The World on 4) on S4C is doing a programme (or possibly a series of segments over some weeks) about the proposed ban on the use of e-cigs in enclosed public spaces.

They're trying to get an interview with Mark Drakeford, but last I heard he didn't seem to be too keen. They're also interviewing Welsh vapers about their experience of e-cig use. And I'm going to be one of them. A Welsh learner, being interviewed in Welsh <gulp>. Recording for my bit will be on Monday, not sure when the programme(s) will air but will try to let you all know nearer the time.

Any Welsh-speaking vapers have a suggestion for what to call vaping, vapers and vapegear? I could go with anweddu, anweddwyr and teclynnau anwedd, but it seems a little formal. Possibly feipio, feipwyr and ...?

Wish me luck.

This programme will be on S4C (with subtitles) on Tuesday 10th June at 9:30PM.

The day after there's a meeting of vapers outside the Welsh Assembly from 11AM - we hope to be meeting with some AMs (Assembly Members).
Any vapers in Wales we could do with numbers, so if you can make it come along. Let Rhydian Mann (@VapingJuggler on Twitter) know you'll be coming. There will probably be TV cameras there - I think S4C at the very least.</gulp>