Protecting children: Consultation on ecigs
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BaldyPete
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Dumb kids down and tell them what to do. That's good for the future of the country. Keeps them in line.
"Why would you want to revolt? Didn't we give you an ipad in school? So you can sit around watching videos instead of interacting with people? Don't you have the Internet? Don't you have X Factor on TV? Don't we take care of you? Of course we do. Just do as we say and you'll be safe."
More of a moan about kids today to be honest (my nephews are like this) but yeah, all about control, man.
*puts on tin foil hat*
"Why would you want to revolt? Didn't we give you an ipad in school? So you can sit around watching videos instead of interacting with people? Don't you have the Internet? Don't you have X Factor on TV? Don't we take care of you? Of course we do. Just do as we say and you'll be safe."
More of a moan about kids today to be honest (my nephews are like this) but yeah, all about control, man.
*puts on tin foil hat*
blademansw
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Submitted on 2014-12-18 09:03:18.190837Your information
a Are you responding
As a member of the public
b Please provide your contact information
Email address :
******
Links to the tobacco industry and further details
f Do you, or the business or organisation you represent, have any direct or indirect links to, or
receive funding from, the tobacco industry?
No
If "yes", please describe:
g If you do not wish your response to be identified in the summary report of consultation
responses, please tick this box
Do not identify my response:
No
Personal information
h Please provide your name
Name:
Scott *****
Consultation questions
1 Do you have any comments regarding the definition of nicotine inhaling products proposed in the
regulations?
Definition of nicotine inhaling products:
Yes.
If you so wished, you could use a kettle to atomize PG, VG and nicotine.
You could make a atomizer out of virtually anything that can heat a liquid to boiling point. Do you
propose to legislate in the usual overhanded, overbearing and intrusive manner to cover these
eventualities also?
2 Do you have any comments regarding the proposals for nicotine inhaling products that are
medicines or medical devices?
Medicines or medical devices:
Yes.
This is the usual thinly veiled attempt to support pharmaceutical company income under the guise of
licensing. Pharmaceuticals are terrified of loosing their vast income from their largely
ineffective NRT products.
As they are such enormous entities, Pharmaceutical (and existing tobacco companies) are the only
ones able to afford the huge sums of money required to get their products through the licensing
procedure.
It beggars belief that you can allow a bypass for something that is age limited just because you
can get an "approved, expensively licensed" product on prescription. Its either LEGAL to use a
nicotine product for under 18's, or ILLEGAL. There should be no exceptions either way just because
its come from a licensed source. This also should apply to existing NRT products, but again I
suspect that would affect the pharmaceutical gravy train so that's never going to be stopped is it.
3 Do you have any comments regarding the enforcement arrangements proposed in the regulations, or
any views or evidence on enforcement costs?
Enforcement arrangements:
No
4 Do you have any comments on the proposal to extend the current proxy purchase offence for
tobacco to cover nicotine inhaling
products?
Proxy purchase:
Yes
Pretty much unenforceable, the same as the current offences for purchasing alcohol or tobacco.
Otherwise all of our children would be dancing with pixies and unicorns rather than smoking a
cigarette round the back of the bike sheds, or getting drunk at the local play park.
5 Do you have any additional evidence on the use of e-cigarettes by under 18s as a gateway in or
out of smoking? For example, how a minimum age of sale for e-cigarettes would impact on current
users of e-cigarettes aged under 18?
Gateway in/out of smoking:
E-cigarettes are a gateway OUT of smoking. No one in their right mind would go from an e-cigarette
to a combustible product that tastes like an ashtray.
Therefore the proposed regulations could potentially be a huge negative for public health as it is
likely to promote hooking another generation onto combustible tobacco.
6 Do you have any additional evidence that restricting the sale of nicotine inhaling products
would contribute to reducing health inequalities and/or help us fulfil our duties under the
Equality Act 2010?
Health inequalities:
No, I don't.
I am sure that all of the usual 3rd sector quangos, local authorities, fake charities and single
issue pressure groups will manufacture some suitable evidence. Probably via Bath or Sheffield
Universities.
7 Do you have any information or evidence that would inform the consultation-stage impact
assessment? We particularly welcome any evidence or information which would improve any of the
assumptions or estimates we have made in terms of the impact on retailers, manufacturers and
distributors, including our assessment of any loss of profits.
Further information/evidence to inform impact assessment:
No. But normally your assessments of impacts are based on something from the far side of the galaxy
anyway.
Lets look at other such winsome affairs as the debacle surrounding the tobacco products display
directive, where figures were cooked up on the back of a cornflake packet, then comprehensively
lied about by the people responsible in government.
8 Do you have any information or evidence that would improve any of the assumptions we have made
in terms of the impact of these proposed regulations on small and micro businesses?
Small and micro businesses:
Yes, these could potentially destroy sole traders with huge fines if they make a quite genuine
mistake.
9 Is there anything else you wish to tell us that you think would improve the draft regulations?
Any other information to improve regulations:
Yes.
Stop it.
You are not helping anyone except the entrenched Tobacco Companies, and the Pharmaceutical
Industry.
Children will experiment, its in their nature.
As soon as you start banning stuff and trying to hide it, it will instantly appeal to them. Far
better they be able to access standards approved electronic cigarettes
freely than black market tobacco with its health consequences.
a Are you responding
As a member of the public
b Please provide your contact information
Email address :
******
Links to the tobacco industry and further details
f Do you, or the business or organisation you represent, have any direct or indirect links to, or
receive funding from, the tobacco industry?
No
If "yes", please describe:
g If you do not wish your response to be identified in the summary report of consultation
responses, please tick this box
Do not identify my response:
No
Personal information
h Please provide your name
Name:
Scott *****
Consultation questions
1 Do you have any comments regarding the definition of nicotine inhaling products proposed in the
regulations?
Definition of nicotine inhaling products:
Yes.
If you so wished, you could use a kettle to atomize PG, VG and nicotine.
You could make a atomizer out of virtually anything that can heat a liquid to boiling point. Do you
propose to legislate in the usual overhanded, overbearing and intrusive manner to cover these
eventualities also?
2 Do you have any comments regarding the proposals for nicotine inhaling products that are
medicines or medical devices?
Medicines or medical devices:
Yes.
This is the usual thinly veiled attempt to support pharmaceutical company income under the guise of
licensing. Pharmaceuticals are terrified of loosing their vast income from their largely
ineffective NRT products.
As they are such enormous entities, Pharmaceutical (and existing tobacco companies) are the only
ones able to afford the huge sums of money required to get their products through the licensing
procedure.
It beggars belief that you can allow a bypass for something that is age limited just because you
can get an "approved, expensively licensed" product on prescription. Its either LEGAL to use a
nicotine product for under 18's, or ILLEGAL. There should be no exceptions either way just because
its come from a licensed source. This also should apply to existing NRT products, but again I
suspect that would affect the pharmaceutical gravy train so that's never going to be stopped is it.
3 Do you have any comments regarding the enforcement arrangements proposed in the regulations, or
any views or evidence on enforcement costs?
Enforcement arrangements:
No
4 Do you have any comments on the proposal to extend the current proxy purchase offence for
tobacco to cover nicotine inhaling
products?
Proxy purchase:
Yes
Pretty much unenforceable, the same as the current offences for purchasing alcohol or tobacco.
Otherwise all of our children would be dancing with pixies and unicorns rather than smoking a
cigarette round the back of the bike sheds, or getting drunk at the local play park.
5 Do you have any additional evidence on the use of e-cigarettes by under 18s as a gateway in or
out of smoking? For example, how a minimum age of sale for e-cigarettes would impact on current
users of e-cigarettes aged under 18?
Gateway in/out of smoking:
E-cigarettes are a gateway OUT of smoking. No one in their right mind would go from an e-cigarette
to a combustible product that tastes like an ashtray.
Therefore the proposed regulations could potentially be a huge negative for public health as it is
likely to promote hooking another generation onto combustible tobacco.
6 Do you have any additional evidence that restricting the sale of nicotine inhaling products
would contribute to reducing health inequalities and/or help us fulfil our duties under the
Equality Act 2010?
Health inequalities:
No, I don't.
I am sure that all of the usual 3rd sector quangos, local authorities, fake charities and single
issue pressure groups will manufacture some suitable evidence. Probably via Bath or Sheffield
Universities.
7 Do you have any information or evidence that would inform the consultation-stage impact
assessment? We particularly welcome any evidence or information which would improve any of the
assumptions or estimates we have made in terms of the impact on retailers, manufacturers and
distributors, including our assessment of any loss of profits.
Further information/evidence to inform impact assessment:
No. But normally your assessments of impacts are based on something from the far side of the galaxy
anyway.
Lets look at other such winsome affairs as the debacle surrounding the tobacco products display
directive, where figures were cooked up on the back of a cornflake packet, then comprehensively
lied about by the people responsible in government.
8 Do you have any information or evidence that would improve any of the assumptions we have made
in terms of the impact of these proposed regulations on small and micro businesses?
Small and micro businesses:
Yes, these could potentially destroy sole traders with huge fines if they make a quite genuine
mistake.
9 Is there anything else you wish to tell us that you think would improve the draft regulations?
Any other information to improve regulations:
Yes.
Stop it.
You are not helping anyone except the entrenched Tobacco Companies, and the Pharmaceutical
Industry.
Children will experiment, its in their nature.
As soon as you start banning stuff and trying to hide it, it will instantly appeal to them. Far
better they be able to access standards approved electronic cigarettes
freely than black market tobacco with its health consequences.
knome
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@blademansw Have you got a link for that questionnaire? I waded through a bit of Govt mud to try and find it but I don't speak urdu etc.
EDIT: Never mind, I found it...
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...nse_form_data/file/325/Questionnaire_form.doc
EDIT: Never mind, I found it...
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...nse_form_data/file/325/Questionnaire_form.doc
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blademansw
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Yeah, its made as obtuse as possible. There is also an online version
EDIT here it is Citizen Space - Your information
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