Pubs banning E Cigarettes Part 2

[taradog]

Following my earlier post concerning the banning of E Cigs at my Greene King local I have had a reply off them giving their reasons 'Our Hungry Horse pubs do not allow the use of electronic smoking devices inside the premises. This decision was taken to prevent confusion for our management teams who have to enforce the no smoking policy required by law and also to avoid any upset for our guests which are mainly families'
So there you have it according to Geene King vapers upset families and confuse the bar staff

 

[cliffo]

My Wife is the landlady of a greene king pub which has a resturant aswell ( Not a hungry horse) , she has run it for the past 7 years, we welcome vapers and activly encourage it , No vaping in the resturant area though , .

http://thequeensheadwonz.co.uk/

 

[KulrMeStoopid]

I dont vape where I cant or wouldnt normally smoke anyways. I am all for pubs allowing vaping to get back some of their ex smoking patronage, but the reality is, because of the smoking ban, pubs had to adapt in order to stay in business...Family friendly establishments ( i see them all over the place and am still baffled by babies being allowed in pubs! ) but hey hoe thats how it goes.

Personally, I dont partake in too many pub nights anyways and when I do, I stick to places I know I can vape

 

[AndyC1971]

Now I am going to get slightly controversial here, but I cannot for the life of me wonder why these large chains, wont embrace and encourage vaping on their premises. Its only a matter of time, before one chain will, when they have a 'brainstorming' meeting to decide how to increase footfall and profits. Once one does, they all will.

Vaping is growing by the day, and will continue to do so, and to not allow a section of the community to partake in their lifestyle choice is ridiculous.

What is more serious, allowing vaping or allowing children into pubs??

Now I totally agree with KMS, and dont vape where I cant smoke, unless I have asked first, and simply, if I cant vape, I will take my business to somewhere that will allow me to, no fuss or hassle from me

I also appreciate that there is a lot of misconceptions or ignorance around vaping, but as time goes on this hopefully will be changed, and more places will be receptive to it.

However, it will make no odds to me, as I will continue to support those establishments that allowed me to vape in the first place

 

[stumpey]

Vaping or Kids in Pubs I know which one I would choose. ( Yes I have kids and I dont take them to the pub, they take me cos its about time they bought me a pint )

When I was a kid I used to sit in the car ( dads Ford Anglia notchback) for bloody hours with just a coke and a pack of crisps, the ones with the little blue blue bag inside. Got my revenge I would put it in gear turn the lights and windscreen wipers on and wait for him to come back. Then the car would light up like a xmas tree, jump forward and the windscreen wipers would start going . Clip round the ear and a quick drive home ( pre D&D or seatbelt law!! ) . Happy days

Fortunately my local allows vaping so alls good

Steve

 

[Alan]

a pack of crisps, the ones with the little blue blue bag inside.

Salt and shake, I remember them

 

[Szaxe]

 

[Purplefowler]

That's the thing we need to separate out. Family friendly pub/restaurants are a very different thing to drinking pubs. I would not feel right vaping in family pubs but a real drinking pubs are a different beast. These are also the ones which are more likely to struggle and need patrons to help keep the great British tradition alive (no disrespect to cliffo as it sounds like his wife pub is a good one )

 

[steffijade]

There are easy answers to the concerns of breweries/landlords about vaping.

If they don't want vaping around food they could have separate dining areas.

If they're concerned that vaping 'looks like someone smoking a cigarette' they could only allow devices that obviously aren't cigarettes to be used indoors. (possibly a gap in the market for vendors to sell lumnious orange cigalikes with bright green leds?)

If they want to be 'family friendly' then they could decide to operate as a dedicated, licensed restaurant instead of masquerading as a pub.

These points might sound facetious, but I worked in a pub for a few years until the owners went bankrupt and lost everything so I've had some experience of the problems pubs face. Adapting to accommodate families with children and serving food have become a necessity for a lot of pubs. Some of them are more reliant on their dry sales than their wet sales, so it's understandable that they might have concerns about losing custom.

The most obvious solution (to me at any rate) is to have a separate area for vaping if they have concerns about loss of dry sales.

Accommodating both diners and vapers should be feasible for a lot of pubs... and if your local doesn't want to adapt to keep your custom, then it's probably time to find a new local.

 

[cliffo]

There are easy answers to the concerns of breweries/landlords about vaping.

If they don't want vaping around food they could have separate dining areas.

If they're concerned that vaping 'looks like someone smoking a cigarette' they could only allow devices that obviously aren't cigarettes to be used indoors. (possibly a gap in the market for vendors to sell lumnious orange cigalikes with bright green leds?)

If they want to be 'family friendly' then they could decide to operate as a dedicated, licensed restaurant instead of masquerading as a pub.

These points might sound facetious, but I worked in a pub for a few years until the owners went bankrupt and lost everything so I've had some experience of the problems pubs face. Adapting to accommodate families with children and serving food have become a necessity for a lot of pubs. Some of them are more reliant on their dry sales than their wet sales, so it's understandable that they might have concerns about losing custom.

The most obvious solution (to me at any rate) is to have a separate area for vaping if they have concerns about loss of dry sales.

Accommodating both diners and vapers should be feasible for a lot of pubs... and if your local doesn't want to adapt to keep your custom, then it's probably time to find a new local.

Spot on Post steffi ,

Personally i don't understand the problem with kids in pubs ,


Pubs have many different faces now , when i was younger and the kids were little i would not have dreamed of taking them to a pub , however pubs had to addapt to survive , too many small pubs have been lost forever due to not moving with the times .

Every small town now has options for everybody,

Take Walton , where our pub is for example , a small seaside town which you can walk round in 20 mins . Six pubs within half a mile of eachother , 3 dirty drink and drug dens where the local hoodlums hang out , real spit and sawdust types , 2 with food available for the more family orientated clientel and the royal british legion club . More than enough choice for everyone , if you want to go for a drink up , get smashed , swear and get violent go to the relevent establishment , if however you want to have a few drinks ,possibly something to eat , laugh and spend some quality time with freinds and family in a safe and freindly enviroment then thats what we provide , it all boils down to common sense really , would i take my kids out if i knew i was going to get on it and get smashed , no i would not .

I actually think that taking children to the correct pubs can teach them great social skills , and teach them to interact with other generations in a general well behaved manor .

Irish pubs ( In ireland) have always welcomed children and families and they have the best craic you'll find in any pub .