Raguri Rant - Sub Ohming and Newbies.

[Raguri]

Right then, this is a topic that I keep seeing, and I did say a while ago I would voice my opinions on this matter.

Sub Ohming... And Newbies.

Recently, we have seen a massive influx of products designed specifically for sub ohming at a relatively inexpensive price. Things such as the Joyetech Ego One, the Aspire CF SubOhm, the Eleaf series, etc etc.

Now, as you will probably know, I am a sub ohmer. I like it, I push the limits of stuff, and I enjoy it.
BUT
I have the knowledge to do it safely. Sure, I build stupid stuff for the hell of it, but, I know the risks, i know what could go wrong, and I know what happens when it does...

So, where is this going exactly?
To here.
I fucking hate this new sub ohm market. New vapers should not have these things available to them in my opinion. Hopefully I will find people here who agree.
Sub ohming can be really, really dangerous. I have seen three posts on various facebook groups in less than two days asking "Are these batteries safe as they got warm?" or "I've taken these out of my laptop and I've already used them and they work but are they safe?"
Sure, this isn't exactly a rip on the battery side of things, BUT there's always a fucking subtank or atlantis ontop of whatever they are asking about.

These products have normalised sub ohming.

I hate that.

Sub ohming used to be about having a decent amount of skill, and being able to build something YOU were proud of. These new clearos are just making people think it's normal. Hell, I even saw a post about a guy who bought an ego one and tank AS HIS FIRST SETUP and didn't know it had to be charged before using it...

I'm sorry, but to me that's bloody worrying!

/Rant

Sod it. I'll add a bit more.

DEAR WORLD, DO NOT BUY A BLOODY MECH AND A DRIPPER AS YOUR FIRST SETUP EITHER!
If you do, learn everything first. I am amazed at how many times I've seen "How many wraps of x wire to be safe?"
Ie, They don't own an ohm reader, have no idea about their batteries limitations, etc etc.

DO NOT USE ICR BATTERIES
Simple really, DONT FUCKING USE THEM! If you want to know why, look up an ICR short. It's nasty.

DO ASK QUESTIONS! BEFORE BUYING SOMETHING THAT EVERYONE ELSE HAS EVEN THOUGH THEY'VE BEEN VAPING FOR MUCH, MUCH, MUCH LONGER THAN YOU!

And last but not least... For now.

DO NOT, I REPEAT, DO NOT RISK IT.
I've had batteries enter thermal runaway on me, it is not fun, and it makes your mind so full of scenarios, you end up just holding the bloody thing.
anyone who thinks they will instantly throw it, you're wrong. You don't. You stand there like a rabbit in headlights going "Heeeeerp deeeerp What do I want for Dinner?... Oh yeah... I have that in the freezer... Why is my hand hot?"...

 

[vincey]

Right then, this is a topic that I keep seeing, and I did say a while ago I would voice my opinions on this matter.

Sub Ohming... And Newbies.

Recently, we have seen a massive influx of products designed specifically for sub ohming at a relatively inexpensive price. Things such as the Joyetech Ego One, the Aspire CF SubOhm, the Eleaf series, etc etc.

Now, as you will probably know, I am a sub ohmer. I like it, I push the limits of stuff, and I enjoy it.
BUT
I have the knowledge to do it safely. Sure, I build stupid stuff for the hell of it, but, I know the risks, i know what could go wrong, and I know what happens when it does...

So, where is this going exactly?
To here.
I fucking hate this new sub ohm market. New vapers should not have these things available to them in my opinion. Hopefully I will find people here who agree.
Sub ohming can be really, really dangerous. I have seen three posts on various facebook groups in less than two days asking "Are these batteries safe as they got warm?" or "I've taken these out of my laptop and I've already used them and they work but are they safe?"
Sure, this isn't exactly a rip on the battery side of things, BUT there's always a fucking subtank or atlantis ontop of whatever they are asking about.

These products have normalised sub ohming.

I hate that.

Sub ohming used to be about having a decent amount of skill, and being able to build something YOU were proud of. These new clearos are just making people think it's normal. Hell, I even saw a post about a guy who bought an ego one and tank AS HIS FIRST SETUP and didn't know it had to be charged before using it...

I'm sorry, but to me that's bloody worrying!

/Rant

I am with you on this 100% yes it has opened doors to newbies into the sub ohm world but YOU need to research and ask question wayyyyyyy before you actually start buying and more importantly using it. You don't start tinkering with cars as an example unless you know what you are doing.

I see it a lot on fb people actually recommending others to the 50w istick and an Atlantis or Subtank as a starter kit. No sonny just no.

The only plus I can see is the rise in these tanks being sold off as some of these people don't want them as they quickly realise sub ohm isn't for them. I'll happily take a tank or two just for ease of use when on long car journeys etc.

Will we see some accidents along the way with these new sub ohm tanks and inexperienced users? Maybe.


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[Mark]

I tend to agree with you on the whole Rags. I also think that Aspire etc should be sending out clear safety instructions/guidelines regarding appropriate batteries with their sub ohm tanks. Vendors ought to be giving warnings too. Some do. Some don't. That is poor

 

[vaporsizer]

perhaps any members who recommend these devices to new vapers should take heed. We must walk before we can run.

Well said Raggy.

 

[Jugg1es]

Right then, this is a topic that I keep seeing, and I did say a while ago I would voice my opinions on this matter.

Sub Ohming... And Newbies.

Recently, we have seen a massive influx of products designed specifically for sub ohming at a relatively inexpensive price. Things such as the Joyetech Ego One, the Aspire CF SubOhm, the Eleaf series, etc etc.

Now, as you will probably know, I am a sub ohmer. I like it, I push the limits of stuff, and I enjoy it.
BUT
I have the knowledge to do it safely. Sure, I build stupid stuff for the hell of it, but, I know the risks, i know what could go wrong, and I know what happens when it does...

So, where is this going exactly?
To here.
I fucking hate this new sub ohm market. New vapers should not have these things available to them in my opinion. Hopefully I will find people here who agree.
Sub ohming can be really, really dangerous. I have seen three posts on various facebook groups in less than two days asking "Are these batteries safe as they got warm?" or "I've taken these out of my laptop and I've already used them and they work but are they safe?"
Sure, this isn't exactly a rip on the battery side of things, BUT there's always a fucking subtank or atlantis ontop of whatever they are asking about.

These products have normalised sub ohming.

I hate that.

Sub ohming used to be about having a decent amount of skill, and being able to build something YOU were proud of. These new clearos are just making people think it's normal. Hell, I even saw a post about a guy who bought an ego one and tank AS HIS FIRST SETUP and didn't know it had to be charged before using it...

I'm sorry, but to me that's bloody worrying!

/Rant

Sod it. I'll add a bit more.

DEAR WORLD, DO NOT BUY A BLOODY MECH AND A DRIPPER AS YOUR FIRST SETUP EITHER!
If you do, learn everything first. I am amazed at how many times I've seen "How many wraps of x wire to be safe?"
Ie, They don't own an ohm reader, have no idea about their batteries limitations, etc etc.

DO NOT USE ICR BATTERIES
Simple really, DONT FUCKING USE THEM! If you want to know why, look up an ICR short. It's nasty.

DO ASK QUESTIONS! BEFORE BUYING SOMETHING THAT EVERYONE ELSE HAS EVEN THOUGH THEY'VE BEEN VAPING FOR MUCH, MUCH, MUCH LONGER THAN YOU!

And last but not least... For now.

DO NOT, I REPEAT, DO NOT RISK IT.
I've had batteries enter thermal runaway on me, it is not fun, and it makes your mind so full of scenarios, you end up just holding the bloody thing.
anyone who thinks they will instantly throw it, you're wrong. You don't. You stand there like a rabbit in headlights going "Heeeeerp deeeerp What do I want for Dinner?... Oh yeah... I have that in the freezer... Why is my hand hot?"...

Ok, we all joke about 'Rags the resident nutter' it's all said in jest and a lot of respect. I agree wholeheartedly with you, I'm not into sub-ohming but I am thinking about a subtank. I spent months reading before even ordering an lpg and sat22 clone, I've got two coils here that I've only fired to check the coils 0.5 & 0.25. The latter won't be used until I get some decent batteries (only got purple efests) I'm quite nervous about it tbh but........ Well.
Ok I've lost track of where I was going with this so,

Yup I agree.

 

[steve_jrb]

Totally agree Raguri

Pisses me off when vendors sell the Apsire CF Sub Ohm battery and an atlantis as a STARTER KIT!!

Even if you push the safety and knowledge issues aside, it's still like learning to drive in a Ferrari

Yeah...let's rant some more!!

 

[Raguri]

I tend to agree with you on the whole Rags. I also think that Aspire etc should be sending out clear safety instructions/guidelines regarding appropriate batteries with their sub ohm tanks. Vendors ought to be giving warnings too. Some do. Some don't. That is poor

This.
So much of this.
And also, supply the correct chargers with their batteries.
I have seen people use a cigalike charger for an aspire subohm, I could have cried, then punched the vendor who sold it to them in the face... Hard.. With a shovel...
Purely as I also knew the vendor in question. And they do deserve being hit with a shovel...

 

[Raguri]

Ok, we all joke about 'Rags the resident nutter' it's all said in jest and a lot of respect. I agree wholeheartedly with you, I'm not into sub-ohming but I am thinking about a subtank. I spent months reading before even ordering an lpg and sat22 clone, I've got two coils here that I've only fired to check the coils 0.5 & 0.25. The latter won't be used until I get some decent batteries (only got purple efests) I'm quite nervous about it tbh but........ Well.
Ok I've lost track of where I was going with this so,

Yup I agree.

What purple efests are they?
'30 amps' are actually sony cells vtc4 rewrapped.
'35 amps' are actually 20 amp LG He2's rewrapped.
The high capacity ones, no idea. But, if it's the 18350 ones, yeah, get some 650s

Totally agree @Raguri

Pisses me off when vendors sell the Apsire CF Sub Ohm battery and an atlantis as a STARTER KIT!!

Even if you push the safety and knowledge issues aside, it's still like learning to drive in a Ferrari

Yeah...let's rant some more!!

I'm tempted to start a mini blog, and call it Raguri Rants, purely as there are so many things that f*ck me off within the community that are very VERY easily preventable!

 

[vaporsizer]

This.
So much of this.
And also, supply the correct chargers with their batteries.
I have seen people use a cigalike charger for an aspire subohm, I could have cried, then punched the vendor who sold it to them in the face... Hard.. With a shovel...
Purely as I also knew the vendor in question. And they do deserve being hit with a shovel...

I don't think they would dig that !

 

[Jugg1es]

What purple efests are they?
'30 amps' are actually sony cells vtc4 rewrapped.
'35 amps' are actually 20 amp LG He2's rewrapped.
The high capacity ones, no idea. [emoji14] But, if it's the 18350 ones, yeah, get some 650s



I'm tempted to start a mini blog, and call it Raguri Rants, purely as there are so many things that f*ck me off within the community that are very VERY easily preventable!

My 18350's have never been below 0.7
18650's are the 35amp