Raguri Rant - Sub Ohming and Newbies.

[Diche]

It doesn't matter how good your batteries are or what ohm coil you put in a mech, if you fire a short because you don't know you have to check your ohms first you can cause a battery to go into thermal runaway. For that to happen on a regulated mod there would have to be a fault on the device. They still aren't foolproof and you can still have issues but they are safer.

 

[Mawsley]

 

[Mawsley]

 

[bijou]

But they have to coil the device, they are choosing to coil it sub ohm, you could easily coil it 1ohm+, mechanical mod is dangerouse from the get go. Its about choice, i bought smok m80 wich is a vw device u can run it safley in vw mode, or i could switch to mechanical mode and put my health in danger so i have a choice. Now if i got a mechanical mod my healths in danger constantly as even used safley theres no garuntee. So selling RBA is totally diffrent

I have to disagree with that. Without some way to read the resistance of the coil, you can end up with any ohms and I've seen people, on this forum, state that they don't have an ohms reader when building. There's a big difference between using six wraps of 24AWG (0.5mm) around a 2.5mm mandrel and using 30AWG (0.25mm). (0.5Ω/1.75Ω respectively).

Yes, I tire of reading posts asking why the button on a mech mod is getting hot but I also tire of reading about people being given a setup by a "friend" which is clearly beyond the users capability. How are vendors supposed to educate these people about safety? And why is the onus always on the vendors?

I also have to disagree with a previous posters assertion that you shouldn't rebuild until you've been vaping a minimum of six months.

I started rebuilding just before I reached four months experience and I first sub-ohmed about a month later. Heck, my six month "probation" is only up today! lol

It is up to the user to educate themselves, no-one else. (Though, I do think the Arctic Tank with their 0.2Ω stock "plug'n'play" coils are a stupid idea.)

...I think there was a point to my post (somewhere) but I'm tired and I'm not sure I can find it anymore. Take what I've written as you will.

Night, folks!

 

[travolski]

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I have to disagree with that. Without some way to read the resistance of the coil, you can end up with any ohms and I've seen people, on this forum, state that they don't have an ohms reader when building. There's a big difference between using six wraps of 24AWG (0.5mm) around a 2.5mm mandrel and using 30AWG (0.25mm). (0.5Ω/1.75Ω respectively).

Yes, I tire of reading posts asking why the button on a mech mod is getting hot but I also tire of reading about people being given a setup by a "friend" which is clearly beyond the users capability. How are vendors supposed to educate these people about safety? And why is the onus always on the vendors?

I also have to disagree with a previous posters assertion that you shouldn't rebuild until you've been vaping a minimum of six months.

I started rebuilding just before I reached four months experience and I first sub-ohmed about a month later. Heck, my six month "probation" is only up today! lol

It is up to the user to educate themselves, no-one else. (Though, I do think the Arctic Tank with their 0.2Ω stock "plug'n'play" coils are a stupid idea.)

...I think there was a point to my post (somewhere) but I'm tired and I'm not sure I can find it anymore. Take what I've written as you will.

Night, folks!

I agree with the wisdom of the bijou as the fogger v6 im enjoying using today is a direct result of the bijou , id still be drinking my e liquid from flooding tank lmao

 

[bijou]

I agree with the wisdom of the bijou as the fogger v6 im enjoying using today is a direct result of the bijou , id still be drinking my e liquid from flooding tank lmao

 

[travolski]

0.0 thats alot of boobs for one thread lol

 

[cHrONiC vApEz]

Right then, this is a topic that I keep seeing, and I did say a while ago I would voice my opinions on this matter.

Sub Ohming... And Newbies.

Recently, we have seen a massive influx of products designed specifically for sub ohming at a relatively inexpensive price. Things such as the Joyetech Ego One, the Aspire CF SubOhm, the Eleaf series, etc etc.

Now, as you will probably know, I am a sub ohmer. I like it, I push the limits of stuff, and I enjoy it.
BUT
I have the knowledge to do it safely. Sure, I build stupid stuff for the hell of it, but, I know the risks, i know what could go wrong, and I know what happens when it does...

So, where is this going exactly?
To here.
I fucking hate this new sub ohm market. New vapers should not have these things available to them in my opinion. Hopefully I will find people here who agree.
Sub ohming can be really, really dangerous. I have seen three posts on various facebook groups in less than two days asking "Are these batteries safe as they got warm?" or "I've taken these out of my laptop and I've already used them and they work but are they safe?"
Sure, this isn't exactly a rip on the battery side of things, BUT there's always a fucking subtank or atlantis ontop of whatever they are asking about.

These products have normalised sub ohming.

I hate that.

Sub ohming used to be about having a decent amount of skill, and being able to build something YOU were proud of. These new clearos are just making people think it's normal. Hell, I even saw a post about a guy who bought an ego one and tank AS HIS FIRST SETUP and didn't know it had to be charged before using it...

I'm sorry, but to me that's bloody worrying!

/Rant

Sod it. I'll add a bit more.

DEAR WORLD, DO NOT BUY A BLOODY MECH AND A DRIPPER AS YOUR FIRST SETUP EITHER!
If you do, learn everything first. I am amazed at how many times I've seen "How many wraps of x wire to be safe?"
Ie, They don't own an ohm reader, have no idea about their batteries limitations, etc etc.

DO NOT USE ICR BATTERIES
Simple really, DONT FUCKING USE THEM! If you want to know why, look up an ICR short. It's nasty.

DO ASK QUESTIONS! BEFORE BUYING SOMETHING THAT EVERYONE ELSE HAS EVEN THOUGH THEY'VE BEEN VAPING FOR MUCH, MUCH, MUCH LONGER THAN YOU!

And last but not least... For now.

DO NOT, I REPEAT, DO NOT RISK IT.
I've had batteries enter thermal runaway on me, it is not fun, and it makes your mind so full of scenarios, you end up just holding the bloody thing.
anyone who thinks they will instantly throw it, you're wrong. You don't. You stand there like a rabbit in headlights going "Heeeeerp deeeerp What do I want for Dinner?... Oh yeah... I have that in the freezer... Why is my hand hot?"...

I said this month's ago...Not a, s a though ..respect

 

[Raguri]

It's all getting too serious.

 

[travolski]

It's all getting too serious.