Raguri Rant - Sub Ohming and Newbies.

[Mawsley]

Try again...

The one rule for subohming:

 

[junglist]

18650s could use both fine I use them in tubes!


It's tempting, even if it's just on here.
ModTeam, how does one become a Ranter?

Yes mate - you can be the PotV ranter, "Raguri's Rants" has a good ring to it - would really appreciate your knowledge and insights on some more guides But in the meantime I'll see your rant and raise you!

My view would be that we don't need to rant, we just need to educate. The problem is that no matter what we put out we won't catch everyone. There have been a number of accidents with people doing silly things, from charging ego batteries with the wrong chargers and that tool with the mutant clone that took chunks out of his leg, shit is going to happen. PotV has a massive reach and we need to do more in two directions at the minute from what I can see. Firstly we need to do more to fight back against the bad science as DaveX has pointed out in news articles last week. Clive Bates is doing a wicked job in pushing the voice of vaping from a harm reduction aspect and we need to be shouting more about how amazing vaping is. We have some plans about what we could do to help with this but time is hard to come by to get it all organised...

The plethora of kit on the market strikes fear into the hearts of many would-be vapers. No joke. I only started a year or so ago and your choices were easy, cig-a-like, ego style or mech. Not a fecking box mod to be seen. Spoke to lady this week who is a smoker, she tried cig-a-likes a couple of years ago, not satisfied and also read some of the scare stories about vaping and therefore vaping not on her radar at present. Until I talked to her about it and suggested a good starter set up and she is going to give it another go.

Secondly we can educate on these new devices. I got a Sigelei something early on, <brogan>variable wattage mother fucker!</brogan> and I can remember my first attempt at a sub ohm build, got the dripper coiled and the thing wouldn't fire - regulated mod and it wouldn't got down past 1 ohm builds...

So then I did mechs for a short time, about two months I should think. Tried a few drippers, too fecking hot. Saw you at VF Raguri and had a toot on your set up. You said suck hard! I said that will be £20 and like the virgin vaper I was, your hot mod hurt me. Fast forward six months, I now have several regulated box mods, a vapor shark which never went above 12W and now the Smok M50, the iStick 30W and the Cloupor Mini. And to go with these came the Atlantis, the Subtank and the Youde Goblin...

So at an almost 1 year vaper I'm not a noob. But fuck, I don't have the skill or knowledge that you have in terms of safe vaping and builds and batteries but in all honesty I am quite enjoying these tanks. I have the purple efests in the mods that are rated at 35a - these ones here:
Mod Batteries
Purple - Efest IMR 18650 35a 3.7v (2500mah)

So they are rated at 35 amps and should be safe in terms of any of the off the shelf sub ohm tanks available. I am comfortable with the physics of the whole thing and am achieving what I tried to do 8 months ago - vaping at 0.5 and understanding what people like you were getting (almost!) and being quite at ease with it.

When these 100W mods came out I really did think, why? I still don't quite understand needing to get up that high and from watching yet more vids tonight I still don't see it.

I have an Atlantis and the subtank range and will stick reviews up on the front end site for them shortly. I really struggled with them at first but once I got them working they added a new dimension to vaping for me. I have dropped a nic level and I am quite enjoying pushing more vapour. The taste is completely different and that adds another angle in the flavour stakes, what tastes rank in one set up can be completely different in another and that is another reason why some people want to do it. I heard so many people on here talk about getting a good build on a dripper and never going back and I can see that now. But on the other hand the juice consumption is massive compared to my NV @ 1.4 Ohm set up and that is another factor that people need to consider. What steffijade said made me laugh - the dangers of carto's below 3 ohms was superb Vaping is evolving quickly and, unlike when you took up sub ohming, the regulated mods *should* prevent a few fuck ups compared to the mechs.

I have moved from CE4 to BDC to building own NVs to building Kayfuns to the Aspire Atlantis, Subtanks and this week the Youde Goblin (and loving it at 0,5 Ohm!) all in 10 months. New users will gravitate towards this stuff. Our job is to make sure they stay within the boundaries of safety and educate them, the vendors and even the manufacturers where necessary.
Mark - yes, I do have more gear than at Vapefest when I said I needed no more than my Touchwood, 4Nine and a big bag of Nature Vape tanks. I hang my head in shame.

Getting late and I need to hit the hay. Would love to have you write some more content for the site Raggers, maybe even review some of stuff we are seeing come on the market. I have one of the 0.2 Ohm tanks on the way - you might be interested? Will give you a shout in the morning!

 

[tartanthing]

Tonight I have been mostly sub ohming with a car suspension spring using my mrs' red nylon gstring in an 8 coil no res titanium (extra redundency for the car spring) double diamond configured dripper from fasttech using a home made 4x26650 battery box mod made of finest whalebone as it is the worlds best insulator. (expect Rags to try and build this by tomorrow evening ;-) )

On a slightly more serious point: my biggest concern is that the powers that be may use this lack of understanding as an excuse to legislate the hell out of all of our toys, from the humble fixed voltage ego upwards with big red rubber stamps marked DANGEROUS: DO NOT USE.

As a community of users, abusers and vendors we need to break noobs in gently. I've had glances of admiration at my mucky nemi with a kayfun on it. Make sure i say pretty sharpish that it's only for experienced users then whip out my trusty old vamo v2 & Protank 2 and tell them that's as about as complicated as they should go in their first 6 months of vaping.

My suggestion would be that B&M's should do a couple of hours of an evening doing a show and tell on sub ohming as a start so we can say as a community that we are educating people and are responsible.

 

[securityuniform]

My local vape shop stocks everything from simple starter kits to Kanger sub tanks. They are very good on advice though as the manageress told me she didn't want it on her conscience that she had sold something that a newbie had hurt themselves with through lack of knowledge. They recommend eleaf isticks rather than anything else. I love my Atlantis and cloud chasing but use a Nautilus more often than not. There are a lot of idiots out there who think they know everything and most are candidates for a Darwin award. You can tell someone not to do something till you are blue in the face but they look at you as if you are an idiot then carry on regardless. Unfortunately I can see a lot of accidents making the news in the next year or two with the media calling for a ban because it's so dangerous. Breakfast telly will be full of people with no fingers and missing an eye moaning how awful their life is. Nobody will be there to slap them and tell them it was there own stupid fault.

 

[shezzuk1]

There would be no sub-ohm tanks if it wasn't for sub-ohmers, and I agree with junglist, the regulated mods should prevent battery meltdown...

 

[oldhippydude]

There would be no sub-ohm tanks if it wasn't for sub-ohmers, and I agree with @junglist, the regulated mods should prevent battery meltdown...

You are right that a regulated mod should protect the user unless as Raguri says they put an unsuitable battery in.
As far as I know your regulated mod does not know the amp limit of your battery and many will think that if it fits it is ok or they will think that the battery they bought at the market marked sony vtc5 is what it says.
If Raguri has made a few people think about this then the rant has been well worth it.

 

[Blackhack]

As some of you know, I sell vaping gear on t'internet/eBay/etc....But I refuse to sell anything that could be construed as dangerous, simply as I generally don't know my customers, and what their vaping knowledge level is like.

I'd be devastated if they bought something from me that caused them any physical harm

The nearest to sub Ohm stuff I sell is drippers, on the assumption that If you're going to buy a dripper then you would have at least basic knowledge of how to build/wick/coil one safely

I used to be quite happy with my mech's and only recently started using regulated boxes at 0.5 ohms which to be honest takes a lot of any potential danger out of the question, but that danger still exists in the hands of the unknowledgeable.

I think that any vendor who sells potentially dangerous equipment should at the very least offer some safety advice with any sub ohm equipment they have for sale

I consider myself reasonably knowledgable in building sub ohm coils, but still on occasions end up with a short on building coils in some small decks due to my poor eyesight.....The main difference between myself and a rookie is that I can see it, and rectify it, before it becomes a danger to either myself or those around me...

 

[travolski]

As some of you know, I sell vaping gear on t'internet/eBay/etc....But I refuse to sell anything that could be construed as dangerous, simply as I generally don't know my customers, and what their vaping knowledge level is like.

I'd be devastated if they bought something from me that caused them any physical harm

The nearest to sub Ohm stuff I sell is drippers, on the assumption that If you're going to buy a dripper then you would have at least basic knowledge of how to build/wick/coil one safely

I used to be quite happy with my mech's and only recently started using regulated boxes at 0.5 ohms which to be honest takes a lot of any potential danger out of the question, but that danger still exists in the hands of the unknowledgeable.

I think that any vendor who sells potentially dangerous equipment should at the very least offer some safety advice with any sub ohm equipment they have for sale

I consider myself reasonably knowledgable in building sub ohm coils, but still on occasions end up with a short on building coils in some small decks due to my poor eyesight.....The main difference between myself and a rookie is that I can see it, and rectify it, before it becomes a danger to either myself or those around me...

Thats a real vendor^, more good folk like blackhand and half of the danger would be gone

 

[vincey]

It all boils down to one simple thing - LEARNING about what you want to get into. I wouldn't suddenly start playing about with electrics and wiring shit up in my house because I don't know what i'm doing and I know electricity is bloody dangerous when you mess about with it without knowing what you are doing.
It's just not worth the risk.

 

[scrumpox]

... on the assumption that If you're going to buy a dripper then you would have at least basic knowledge of how to build/wick/coil one safely

Thats a real vendor^, more good folk like blackhand and half of the danger would be gone

No offence intended to Blackhack but isn't that exactly the same unsafe assumption that most vendors make?