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Raguri Rant - Sub Ohming and Newbies.

I will happily advise any noob on sub ohm vaping on the simple basis that if he isn't getting the info from me there is a good chance he will go and get it from someone that knows even less than me. I am not going to pretend I have memorised ohms law because I haven't, but at least I generally remember to tell them about battery safety and what an ohms checker is for. My local pizza shop owner is the proud possessor of a 4nine and Doge. Which someone has kindly coiled for him with what looks distinctly like 0.5mm kanthal dual coils. For fucks sake, he didn't even know how to rewick the damn thing.
 
As a newb i totally agree with this entirly. I use vw devices so i dont have the same problem too an exstent and am happy at 1-1.4ohms. I dont think vendors should be able to sell say a mechanical mod to some one that cant display they know its limitations and safe application
 
I completley agree with you @Raguri. This has concerned me for some time now . It is I fear an accident waiting to happen.

When I take a look at myself 2 years ago, and tried my first cigalike I knew that vaping had the potential to help me get off the smokes. If there had been a B and M near me at the time I would have simply gone there and bought the best kit I could afford on the vendors recommendation . If that happened to be a sub ohm piece of kit, I would have been none the wiser and completely unaware that it had the potential to be dangerous.

Battery safety? -my laptop and phone uses batteries and I barely gave them a second thought, - except to charge them. I also am ashamed to admit I probably would've made the mistake of using the wrong charger, holding the naive belief that if it fitted into the port it was an appropriate charger and protection was manufactured in.

I consider myself very fortunate that I got bored one night and just happened to google 'what's the best ecig? ' -and found this place, . I seriously could've been one of those 'stupid people' whose ecig went bang.

Now I don't consider myself particularly unintelligent, :umm: (others may disagree) it's just that my knowledge and skills are pointed in a different direction. It's easy to say that people should research and understand what they are doing. That in my view lets the manufacturer and vendors off too lightly.

You can't take naivety out of the general population, but you can manufacture as much risk out of the process as possible and this in my view is something we are failing at, -badly

So thumbs up to you Raguri, you're spot on.
 
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Sorry completely off topic but I loved the thread posters comment. Took me back to the days of buying thousands of records and taking time and effort to become a turntablist then cd J's came out and every tom dick and Harry was a superstar dj overnight
 
Sorry completely off topic but I loved the thread posters comment. Took me back to the days of buying thousands of records and taking time and effort to become a turntablist then cd J's came out and every tom dick and Harry was a superstar dj overnight

You still had to beat match with CDJs though. And you didn't have to lug around tons of vinyl either. I loved them.
 
You still had to beat match with CDJs though. And you didn't have to lug around tons of vinyl either. I loved them.

Okay valid point, but these days the controllers are automated and beat match automatically. Still no going to get into a debate because I'm a vinyl man but agree with you about carrying vinyl etc
 
I very much agree with you that it's risky for the inexperienced to push the envelope with minimal knowledge and ignorance of the possible repercussions if things go wrong.

That said, we were all new to vaping at one time and we all learned as we went along. Having more experienced vapers to help in the learning process is an absolute godsend and I'd urge anyone thinking of sub ohming for the first time to draw from the ample well of knowledge we have available to us here in the planet.

But just to play devil's advocate, I remember a certain erm... bittervet on the original UKV predicting disaster when people started drifting down to 1.8/1.5 ohm cartos and using VV devices. He maintained that 3.7 v and a 3ohm atty/cart was good enough for anybody.

It's fairly obvious that doesn't cut the mustard for some folk and the only really important point (in my mind anyway) is what actually does cut the mustard for person using the set up and keeps them off tobacco.

I applaud you for caring enough to share your views and I agree with a lot of what you have to say, but I think if someone is willing to take risks and accept responsibility for their own actions then they should be free to do so. The trouble with that though is knowing what the actual risks are.

A mitigation/education strategy would do a lot to alleviate fears of potential disaster. Mitigate possible issues by educating new users.

Vendors can play a big part in this by making sure they explain that sub ohming is fairly advanced compared to say, an ego/evod set up and by maybe trying to provide a crib sheet of basic safety info about shorts, suitable batteries etc. Forums like POTV can offer a wealth of knowledge and experience and new users should be encouraged to ask if they're unsure about anything (just don't ask me..that'd be like the mentally deficient leading the blind ;) ).

But not everyone uses forums/facebook/whatever and so won't have that guidance to call on. That's where basic crib sheets might prove useful (I don't want to nominate you for something that you don't particularly want lumbering with, but have you considered composing something like this and making it available to download? Might come in handy for B&M vendors?).

Your concern about new vapers is commendable but a simple analogy with children springs to mind : you can't wrap them up in cotton wool all their lives.. although with new vapers, I suppose you could teach them how to wick with it. ;)
This is one of the best posts I've ever read ...

Rags has turned into his grandad, seemingly overnight. Seriously, if you think planet plonker out there has got time for researching Ohm's Law you're best off in a home dribbling on your mech and ranting with your dad, grandad or your oldest relative ... you've lost the plot, big time. There's more than a little pathos in your wailing about the loss of skill and balls to sub-ohm. But that's progress, do keep up old man! ;)

Yes! The kit suppliers and sellers are being scandalously negligent, abdicating on their responsibility with regard to user safety. Totally with everyone on that! But we live in an age of straight out of the box and a scant peruse of the quick set up guide - nobody reads all the safety information even though it is supplied. Why would today's vape gear be different?* I'm not defending them, I'm just saying how it is. Planet plonker won't do the hard yards, so FUCM, they'll learn soon enough!

What's the next rant, Rags? Motorbikes are dangerous? The benefits of scarves in cold weather? Spoonful of fish oil before bedtime?






* I exclude mechs from this as we all know they're yesterday's vape gear. :P
 
I hate to add something about this as I might be hated on, I don't like sub- ohming, I used a subtank and it was my first time sub- ohming, but to be fair I had just brought the kanger j- simar 20w mod and so I knew it had the adequate safety features!

Now I say I don't like sub- ohming, I know use the rba section at about 1.4 ohms as I found the 0.5 coil too warm for my taste buds and the point im getting across is that I did the research and tried the product and found out what I liked!!

Now I haven't used all the products in the world, in fact the subtank is the first 'advanced' tank ive owned and it's transformed my vaping experience, I love it!! And if I'd never had a go with it, if still be on my aerotank with stock coils always wondering what a cigarette would taste like now!! (I'm past that now)

I think the point im attempting to make from this is perhaps the debate shouldn't be had about whether these tanks should be made available for newbies but more aimed at;

1) should there be more warnings made by the manufacturer and perhaps the vendor
2) who is liable if something goes wrong? The manufacturer or the stupid guy that hasn't done his research? (Maybe I'm horrible but you wouldn't drive you car without oil in it :S maybe a bad comparison?)


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