Rates of e-cigarette and marijuana use not associated with vaping-related lung injuries, study finds

[oldhippydude]

comment on the same study
here https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2020-08/ysop-roe082520.php

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention began a cross-state investigation into vaping-related lung injuries in August 2019, and has since confirmed over 2,800 cases and 68 deaths. In February 2020, the CDC concluded its national updates, and officially classified vitamin E acetate, an additive long linked to EVALI and most common in THC e-liquids that are informally-sourced--i.e., purchased off the street or home-mixed--as "a primary cause of EVALI."

The EVALI outbreak has motivated a variety of state and federal legislation to restrict sales of nicotine e-cigarettes, including a temporary ban on all e-cigarette sales in Massachusetts in late-2019 and bans on flavored e-cigarette sales in several states and localities. However, if the goal was to reduce EVALI risks, the study suggests that those policies may have targeted the wrong behavior.

A negative relationship between EVALI prevalence and rates of pre-outbreak vaping and marijuana use suggests that well-established markets may have crowded-out use of riskier, informally sourced e-liquids, Friedman said.

Indeed, the five earliest states to legalize recreational marijuana--Alaska, California, Colorado, Oregon and Washington--all had less than one EVALI case per 100,000 residents aged 12 to 64. None of the highest EVALI-prevalence states--Utah, North Dakota, Minnesota, Delaware and Indiana--allowed recreational marijuana use.

Interestingly, Friedman notes that two of the highest-prevalence states' medical marijuana laws forbid smokable marijuana. "If this policy led some recreational marijuana smokers to switch to vaping THC, perhaps in order to avoid detection, it would have increased their likelihood of exposure to contaminated e-liquids when those came on the market. This may have contributed to the higher EVALI prevalence in those states."

It may be important for policymakers to consider the potential unintended consequences of policies that forbid smokable marijuana while allowing THC e-liquids going forward.

 

[Jd_]

comment on the same study
here https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2020-08/ysop-roe082520.php

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention began a cross-state investigation into vaping-related lung injuries in August 2019, and has since confirmed over 2,800 cases and 68 deaths. In February 2020, the CDC concluded its national updates, and officially classified vitamin E acetate, an additive long linked to EVALI and most common in THC e-liquids that are informally-sourced--i.e., purchased off the street or home-mixed--as "a primary cause of EVALI."

The EVALI outbreak has motivated a variety of state and federal legislation to restrict sales of nicotine e-cigarettes, including a temporary ban on all e-cigarette sales in Massachusetts in late-2019 and bans on flavored e-cigarette sales in several states and localities. However, if the goal was to reduce EVALI risks, the study suggests that those policies may have targeted the wrong behavior.

A negative relationship between EVALI prevalence and rates of pre-outbreak vaping and marijuana use suggests that well-established markets may have crowded-out use of riskier, informally sourced e-liquids, Friedman said.

Indeed, the five earliest states to legalize recreational marijuana--Alaska, California, Colorado, Oregon and Washington--all had less than one EVALI case per 100,000 residents aged 12 to 64. None of the highest EVALI-prevalence states--Utah, North Dakota, Minnesota, Delaware and Indiana--allowed recreational marijuana use.

Interestingly, Friedman notes that two of the highest-prevalence states' medical marijuana laws forbid smokable marijuana. "If this policy led some recreational marijuana smokers to switch to vaping THC, perhaps in order to avoid detection, it would have increased their likelihood of exposure to contaminated e-liquids when those came on the market. This may have contributed to the higher EVALI prevalence in those states."

It may be important for policymakers to consider the potential unintended consequences of policies that forbid smokable marijuana while allowing THC e-liquids going forward.

U obviously underestimate the degree this country is willing to go to protect some of its financial interests.

Did you add the i.e., purchased off the street or home-mixed-- or was that the actual wording?

If it was i dont think i need to elaborate on what the next action that will be taken.

Im almost prepared to make a friendly wager on it.

 

[oldhippydude]

U obviously underestimate the degree this country is willing to go to protect some of its financial interests.

Did you add the i.e., purchased off the street or home-mixed-- or was that the actual wording?

If it was i dont think i need to elaborate on what the next action that will be taken.

Im almost prepared to make a friendly wager on it.

The above is just a straight copy and paste on the comment from yale school of public health.
It is just a fact that the ilegal thc pods that were killing people were either bought on "the street" or home made.
you may think this will lead to a clampdown that none of us want, but facts are facts.

I do not underestimate what anyone will do with scientific results.
All sides in any argument will use the science or twist the science for their own interest.
The tobacco and drug industry are very powerful and have a lot of people paid a lot of money to defend their interests.

The science here is clearly pointing in the direction of not over restricting access to vape products and weed.
sure the drug and baccy companies will put their own spin on that, as will the small independent sector. I see nothing in the science that it is biased towards either sector.

This is not a problem of science . You complaint is about the economic system that allows large companies to push their agenda.

 

[Jd_]

The above is just a straight copy and paste on the comment from yale school of public health.
It is just a fact that the ilegal thc pods that were killing people were either bought on "the street" or home made.
you may think this will lead to a clampdown that none of us want, but facts are facts.

I do not underestimate what anyone will do with scientific results.
All sides in any argument will use the science or twist the science for their own interest.
The tobacco and drug industry are very powerful and have a lot of people paid a lot of money to defend their interests.

The science here is clearly pointing in the direction of not over restricting access to vape products and weed.
sure the drug and baccy companies will put their own spin on that, as will the small independent sector. I see nothing in the science that it is biased towards either sector.

This is not a problem of science . You complaint is about the economic system that allows large companies to push their agenda.

Nah, my argument is about the goverment making things that i want to do illegal for me to do because of a small minority of ppl on the internet creating outrage and desperate attempts by internet yellow journalism to create clickbait headlines

 

[Jd_]

The above is just a straight copy and paste on the comment from yale school of public health.
It is just a fact that the ilegal thc pods that were killing people were either bought on "the street" or home made.
you may think this will lead to a clampdown that none of us want, but facts are facts.

I do not underestimate what anyone will do with scientific results.
All sides in any argument will use the science or twist the science for their own interest.
The tobacco and drug industry are very powerful and have a lot of people paid a lot of money to defend their interests.

The science here is clearly pointing in the direction of not over restricting access to vape products and weed.
sure the drug and baccy companies will put their own spin on that, as will the small independent sector. I see nothing in the science that it is biased towards either sector.

This is not a problem of science . You complaint is about the economic system that allows large companies to push their agenda.

Dont get me wrong dude, id like to be as optimistic as u, but this is coming out a week after they twisted a study into 'if u r a teenager and have EVER vaped, even once, u will catch covid and die', therefore we should pull all vaping products off the shelf until the end of the outbreak

 

[scrumpox]

Messenger well and truly shot

 

[Jd_]

Messenger well and truly shot

That was so not my intention, im really sorry if it came across that way.

Im actually extremely thankful this is now on the radar so MAYBE it will be used for good things instead of bad things.

Unfortunately, the optimism ship has already sailed from this country...

 

[Jd_]

Damn, now i feel really bad...

Ill post a funny picture to lighten the mood

 

[scrumpox]

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[ScottPreot]

I am sure that this tactic will not work because vape has already captured the entire market, almost every schoolboy has his own vape, after which he does not even pull on ordinary cigarettes. I believe that it is high time to throw out nicotine sources of smoking because it causes too many health problems, and it also hits the budget hard. Personally, I gave up smoking cigarettes a long time ago and switched to other alternative sources, for example, now I am attracted to shroom edibles, which have become my new salvation from the dullness of everyday life and routine, very relaxing.