Spearmint custard no no no!

[Fleabag]

KulrMeStoopid has suggested I send info and %, but I want to do it properly - I'd be a bit vague at the moment. I can tell you the cream is very strong. I can taste it at 3 drops in a 10ml bottle of coffee, butterscotch, vanilla & cinnamon

Irish coffee's lovely just on its own

Orange tastes like tic tacs

Most seem to be needed at a lower % (probably 10-15%) than 28vapes to match strength - or a really good strong flavour at 20%

 

[Dan Dan the vaping man]

KulrMeStoopid has suggested I send info and %, but I want to do it properly - I'd be a bit vague at the moment. I can tell you the cream is very strong. I can taste it at 3 drops in a 10ml bottle of coffee, butterscotch, vanilla & cinnamon

Irish coffee's lovely just on its own

Orange tastes like tic tacs

Most seem to be needed at a lower % (probably 10-15%) than 28vapes to match strength - or a really good strong flavour at 20%

Cool I give it a wait till you have done a bit more with them then as I have a few to play about with at the mo anyway but always nice to have other options. Bloody good price though ay

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[VaperCaper]

There are 2 types of "custard"

there's the "Birds custard" which is made with milk sugar and 'mystery yellow powder' the vast majority of the time it is made the cornflour which is being used to thicken it isn't cooked properly, so the resulting custard tastes like custard powder. (you need to simmer a cornflour sauce for several minutes too cook out the powderyness of the cornflour and that's tricky to do without burning it so most people don't bother.

"Birds custard powder" is cornflour, salt, yellow dye (annatto) and flavourings (presumably vanillin and not a lot else) it's the salt in it that helps characterise the flavour your get from it as well as the uncooked cornflour taste.

"Proper" custard is made of egg yolk, milk vanilla and sugar. You whisk the egg yolk into boiling milk and it cooks (egg yolk sets once the temperature reaches 68C) thickening the liquid. Egg yolk also contains a substance clled Lecithin which acts as an emulsifier and blends the whole lot into a nice smooth sauce. Most of the flavour in custard comes from the milk, it naturally pairs nicely with vanilla flavours and helps to accentuate some of the notes in the vanilla.

Both custards owe more to 'mouthfeel' for their flavour rather than out and out taste. Custard is a viscous liquid and it coats the inside of your mouth. The coating does a lot for the flavour (see also chocolate) the egg in custard adds 'richness' to the flavour as well as increasing the mouth coating thing but the flavour is mostly from the cooked milk/vanilla.

In order to build a 'custard flavour' you need a milk flavour and a vanilla flavour and something to replicate the mouthfeel aspect. It's easier to buy one off the shelf though.

As I am discovering building up complex e-liquid flavours involves a LOT of trial and error. Mostly error.

 

[Dan Dan the vaping man]

Yes that makes a lot of sense VaperCaper. Its like we need to re create the feeling, rather than physically, more something that makes the mouth water as that's the closest your going to get with vapor

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I would still argue that a complete custard flavour wouldn't contain a distinct milk flavour, due to the fact that hot milk loses the flavour of milk (and perhaps just leaves a creaminess). Phobias being illogical/irrational by their very nature means that, providing I don't think about the milk content, I can eat/drink things with milk that have been heated to a certain temperature (don't ask me what that is, I just know it's near, but not quite, boiling point).

Though I prefer not to, I can drink a coffee with milk that had been through a frothing machine enough to take it to whatever temperature that is, at which point it loses its taste of milk. I've bought coffee where the milk has only been warmed, and I've had to throw it away - all I can taste is milk.

I assume something happens to the lactose at a certain temperature, as I think this is what causes the distinct taste (I don't know how they make yoghurt, but that also loses the milk taste and lactose intolerants can usually tolerate yoghurt - I'm also lactose intolerant, which is why I always hated it, which in a roundabout way is how I became phobic).

I can have custard, which has no discernible milk flavour (and I'm very sensitive to its flavour). I assume this is to do with it being brought to the "magic" temperature.

Despite the above, I have anxiety attacks if it gets on my skin

 

[Fleabag]

I agree with the experience of custard contributing to its flavour

 

[Dan Dan the vaping man]

I would still argue that a complete custard flavour wouldn't contain a distinct milk flavour, due to the fact that hot milk loses the flavour of milk (and perhaps just leaves a creaminess). Phobias being illogical/irrational by their very nature means that, providing I don't think about the milk content, I can eat/drink things with milk that have been heated to a certain temperature (don't ask me what that is, I just know it's near, but not quite, boiling point).

Though I prefer not to, I can drink a coffee with milk that had been through a frothing machine enough to take it to whatever temperature that is, at which point it loses its taste of milk. I've bought coffee where the milk has only been warmed, and I've had to throw it away - all I can taste is milk.

I assume something happens to the lactose at a certain temperature, as I think this is what causes the distinct taste (I don't know how they make yoghurt, but that also loses the milk taste and lactose intolerants can usually tolerate yoghurt - I'm also lactose intolerant, which is why I always hated it, which in a roundabout way is how I became phobic).

I can have custard, which has no discernible milk flavour (and I'm very sensitive to its flavour). I assume this is to do with it being brought to the "magic" temperature.

Despite the above, I have anxiety attacks if it gets on my skin

Its funny you say that ( not funny haha )
I have a friend that claims she is allergic to nuts and can't stand The smell of and gets quite worried around them, but after asking her mum if she is actually allergic to then she said no but told me she chocked on one when 2 years old, so its funny how the brain tells you stuff

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[Fleabag]

Well, no - I am lactose intolerant (tried and tested in the days when the phobia wasn't as bad) - if I have more than about half a pint (in a drink/food - would never have had it on its own), I get terrible stomach aches - when I first started getting attacks of pain connected to the onset of renal failure, I told the GP I was pretty sure I was lactose intolerant - so he decided I had IBS and sent me away with lactulose - naively, I took a dose and spent 24 hour with 2 different excruciating pains instead of 1.At least I'd absolutely confirmed the lactose intolerance!I always hated milk- the phobia originates in being forced to drink it at infant school

 

[Dan Dan the vaping man]

Well, no - I am lactose intolerant (tried and tested in the days when the phobia wasn't as bad) - if I have more than about half a pint, I get terrible stomach aches - when I first started getting attacks of pain connected to the onset of renal failure, I told the GP I was pretty sure I was lactose intolerant - so he decided I had IBS and sent me away with lactulose - naively, I took a dose and spent 24 hour with 2 different excruciating pains instead of 1.

At least I'd absolutely confirmed the lactose intolerance!

I always hated milk- the phobia originates in being forced to drink it at infant school

Yeah that's what I was on about with the fear from a bad experience as a child but in a way it seams to have been in your favor being lactose intolerant so avoiding milk

I wasn't saying you was making it up just more how your brain can control you
I have panic attacks and anxiety myself as I have asbergers so I'm allergic to people majority of the time lol



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Yeah that's what I was on about with the fear from a bad experience as a child but in a way it seams to have been in your favor being lactose intolerant so avoiding milk



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Must just be an instinct to avoid what's not good for us - my sister and parents won't touch it raw either. Pretty sure sis is also intolerant. My parents do have it in coffee, but it wouldn't surprise me if they were too.

It's not uncommon - we were never designed to drink cow's milk