Sub Ohming / Cloud vaping Rant rant rant !!!

[Rob]

Not on the classic nosetrimmers forum, we're more into single cylinder 4 strokes ... the old man's Panther ensures the entire street knows when I'm in the bathroom ... just remembered, I need more Castrol R ... best aftershave of the lot.

Nah, there's nothing like the smell of 2 Stroke in the morning,










Nothing

 

[JingleJangle]

Blah blah blah!!

Oh and the factory standard tints are amazing from having nosey fuckers looking in as all they see is clouds bellowing out of the window whilst im driving!

 

[VickyCaramel]

I agree with @jediknight129 Great reply! I said in another thread recently about people shouldn't blow clouds in pubs, but I've changed my mind. Blowing vape into an empty beer bottle or pint glass is funny, and if it's not right in front of some other persons face, then fine. Blimey it's like for a moment I almost forgot myself that it's not illegal to have a laugh with your mates.

Btw I vape in Asda, not huge clouds, and never had an issue. Don't always need to vape, but if I feel like it, why not. Vaping is much cleaner than cigarettes. Fags leave ash on the floor, vaping doesn't, so it's not the same thing. Vapers often vape more often than they smoked due to the way the nicotine is delivered. Vaping aint smoking don't ya know.

Regulation doesn't regulate, people regulate, and we are the people! Remember that!

That cloud you are blowing in the air contains stuff. Just because it seemingly vanishes after a few seconds doesn't change the fact that you are blowing stuff into the air. You are polluting the air with stuff.

What is this 'stuff'? You and I vape and we read about it, so we can probably take a pretty good punt at the answer, but the fact is, we don't know for sure. We are pretty certain it is harmless, but we don't know for sure.

Anybody around us who can smell it is breathing it in, and they KNOW they are breathing it in because they can smell it. They will likely have no clue what it is. What about their choice? Are they not people too?

Just blowing your vapour around for unwitting people to breath in is anti-social, just as wearing too much aftershave or perfume and forcing that odour on people is anti-social. Just as eating a take-away on a train is anti-social.

Whenever we vape someplace where the rules don't prohibit it, we are forcing the issues. That may need to be done in many cases, but we could at least do it with politeness and discretion. Blowing fuck-off big clouds and doing childish party tricks doesn't fit the bill. Most people will see it at obnoxious, loutish behaviour.

This doesn't just apply to cloud-chavs, ...I am astonished that people seem to think they have the right to vape in a supermarket, cinema or anywhere else without express permission.

 

[lemon22]

That cloud you are blowing in the air contains stuff. Just because it seemingly vanishes after a few seconds doesn't change the fact that you are blowing stuff into the air. You are polluting the air with stuff.

lol, you talk like you live in some kind of utopia and vaping clouds are upsetting the status quo. I was sat on a bench having a chillin vape one day and a huge supermarket lorry stopped nearby and billowed out huge amounts of fumes from its exhaust straight into my direction and I breathed some of the fumes in. And you know what, that's fine! That's life! Yeah I was a bit peed off, I might have said under my breath "fukin stupid lorries" or something, but overall I accepted it and swiftly moved on with my life. I simply got up and walked away. I didn't go on a crusade about it or write to my MP suggesting they be regulated or banned. Supermarkets exist to make profit and in turn we get to buy food from them. They have a right to do that just like I have a right to vape.

"What about their choice? Are they not people too?"

lol. You talk as if we live in a world where everyone has to live as though we are attached to each other 3 feet apart at all times, and that people have no ability to choose for themselves, therefore everything has to be regulated and agreed upon so that it doesn't offend any single other person out of everyone in the entire world, with all their endless diverse ways on life. You know it'll take you till the end of time to work all that out. Just walk away if you don't like a situation. The world has billions of humans in it, but it's still quite roomy ya know.


Having said that I won't be a hyprocrit and tell you that you shouldn't think what you think because I don't like it. Instead I will acknowledge that your view on things, however much I disagree with it, has no effect on me whatsoever as it is completely my! choice whether to read your ramblings or not, to walk away from this discussion or not.


"When we are no longer able to change a situation, we are challenged to change ourselves.”

“Everything can be taken from a man but one thing: the last of the human freedoms—to choose one’s attitude in any given set of circumstances, to choose one’s own way.”

~ Viktor E. Frankl, Man's Search for Meaning.


Much love,

lemon.

 

[VickyCaramel]

lol, you talk like you live in some kind of utopia and vaping clouds are upsetting the status quo. I was sat on a bench having a chillin vape one day and a huge supermarket lorry stopped nearby and billowed out huge amounts of fumes from its exhaust straight into my direction and I breathed some of the fumes in. And you know what, that's fine! That's life! Yeah I was a bit peed off, I might have said under my breath "fukin stupid lorries" or something, but overall I accepted it and swiftly moved on with my life. I simply got up and walked away. I didn't go on a crusade about it or write to my MP suggesting they be regulated or banned. Supermarkets exist to make profit and in turn we get to buy food from them. They have a right to do that just like I have a right to vape.





lol. You talk as if we live in a world where everyone has to live as though we are attached to each other 3 feet apart at all times, and that people have no ability to choose for themselves, therefore everything has to be regulated and agreed upon so that it doesn't offend any single other person out of everyone in the entire world, with all their endless diverse ways on life. You know it'll take you till the end of time to work all that out. Just walk away if you don't like a situation. The world has billions of humans in it, but it's still quite roomy ya know.


Having said that I won't be a hyprocrit and tell you that you shouldn't think what you think because I don't like it. Instead I will acknowledge that your view on things, however much I disagree with it, has no effect on me whatsoever as it is completely my! choice whether to read your ramblings or not, to walk away from this discussion or not.


"When we are no longer able to change a situation, we are challenged to change ourselves.”

“Everything can be taken from a man but one thing: the last of the human freedoms—to choose one’s attitude in any given set of circumstances, to choose one’s own way.”

~ Viktor E. Frankl, Man's Search for Meaning.


Much love,

lemon.

To sum up your rant, "Life is tough, deal with it. If you don't like it, change it". Well they fecking will. If you vape at them, they don't have to like it, and they can complain.

People do complain and get things done, that is why there is no longer lead in petrol and motor vehicles, even that lorry that billowed smoke at you, have to pass an emissions test. New vehicles now have to be designed and built to meet emissions targets. Vehicles are now banned from many city centres, or in the case of London, have to pay congestion charges.

You might say 'oh well, such is life', you may even swap seats. But there are plenty of busybodies who seem to live spoiling other people's fun.

And I would love you to point out the amendment of the British constitution that grants you the right to vape. Just because something isn't illegal or there are no rules against it, doesn't mean you have a right to do it. And it doesn't mean you should do it.

 

[Lord Grim]

Oh Glod, are you still banging on? I see that you are relatively new here, so I'll let you into a little secret: You aren't judged on word count. Let it go, and we can all sit down with a beverage and discuss the merits of sailing ships and sealing wax.

 

[robertgoldring]

Oh Glod, are you still banging on? I see that you are relatively new here, so I'll let you into a little secret: You aren't judged on word count. Let it go, and we can all sit down with a beverage and discuss the merits of sailing ships and sealing wax.

With a 0.2 ohm coil in the dripper and a high VG juice,

 

[lemon22]

To sum up your rant, "Life is tough, deal with it. If you don't like it, change it".

Actually no, not change the thing, change your own attitude about the thing. And life aint tough really, not when you stop trying to change the whole world and just change yourself. Anyway even explaining an opposing view to someone is hard work enough, let alone trying to change them, so I'm bowing out of this one. Besides I've got a new sub ohm coil and some VG juice to make up before the supermarket shuts. Laterz!

 

[vaporsizer]

I'm being reminded of something here. I was out with my brother recently while i was away (A rare holiday for me) & we visited a few pubs. He vapes too, a mini tank & a spinner type battery. Anyway, i noticed he was getting away with a sneaky vape here & there but i felt that i couldn't myself because i always produce a visible vapour. I guess his e liquid is a high pg job whereas mine is a 50/50 mix. I'm no cloud chaser but to me a normal vape is thick & warm with a satisfying cloud to blow out, it's the only kind of vape i go in for but that's just me (About 1.3ohm single coil mini dripper)
I can see two sides to the op's gripe. On the one hand, yes, blowing big clouds in a pub is obviously gonna upset some people & that's why i don't do it. On the other hand, if you're allowed to vape in a pub then well, you can vape right ?

I mean, i'm up for an all-or nothing situation because i don't want to be forced to hide in a corner like a fucking nervous chipmunk sucking on a mod but pretending nothing's coming out of it just to please Mr Uneducated Sheep Conformist.

I somehow see that it can ultimately never work because there will be a simple 'one rule' law soon & we'll all be vaping in shame just like what happened to smokers. I don't want that & i don't know what it's like where there are bigger numbers of vapers in pubs but i do think it will come to that eventually.

As it goes i normally only vape at home & outdoors & i have no vape buddies where i live to support the movement....... Seriously, i am a lone vaper ! Sad isn't it !

 

[jediknight129]

Sorry, but I do not believe anybody spends so long shopping in a supermarket that they could not wait till they get outside. If you are vaping in a supermarket, you are an asshole. ....

So because I use nicotine intake as a way to manage and minimize some of the affects of my medication I'm an arsehole??? Because when I'm close to puking and Know it or the sto machine cramps are tearing at my stomach so badly they.are making me dizzy and a drag on a coolfire two with low airflow held in and swallowed till no vapour is released makes me an arsehole then does it....

Alright.... nice to know.

As for 'what's needed is a good dose of shame' . That isn't something you want to come back into vogue trust me....

having people making comments calculated into driving you out of a pub because the presence of a spastic in public makes them uncomfortable or watching the woman you want to spend the rest of your life with be systematically broken down, shaming from the family all because they don't want her to 'waste her life looking after a cripple'

Shaming people in public is the preserve of miserable busybodies on buses who think it's socially acceptable to hurl invective at people for not getting up because he is young regardless of the fact I had my cane next to me and could barely stand unaided at the time.

Shaming me, the justification for one of that class to physically assault me, ripping my headphones from.my ears and shoving me in my damaged spine because I didn't respond to her demands that I stop drinking my can of relentless and when I did respond she couldn't grasp the fact it wasn't a high strength lager can and argued based on her age and experience....

Shame the reason behind the dirty looks i'd get when my girlfriend kissed me chastely when I'm in the wheelchair.

Shame and guilt used as pressures to demand that unpopular opinions aren't aired or discussed, the new hot buton issue, the battle cry of the 'social warrior' 'I'm really offended by that opinion/statement/attitude' as if that is a valid and conVincing argument for a mind to be changed.

If You don't like a particular view or opinion and think it to be incorrect attempts at shaming someone into changing it isn't going to change anything and is more Likely to just ensure that opinion become more solidly entrenched. Present a credible argument against it use facts and logic to show why it's wrong.

Shame and pressure from outsiders is what got the smoking ban passed.... its what getc games banned and in my experience it's done by people who would nevery be affected anyway.

So many anti smokers shaming us smokers by labelling us as the reason they don't go to pubs, labelling us as the great evil.that has been driving them out of pubs as if we were some monolithic entity sat on high screaming 'you shall not pass into our domain!!!'

The campaigners wrote letters saying they'd go to the pubs if smoking was banned, that there would be a huge outpouring of support from the anti smoking community and there would be a new golden age of pubs as centres of the community.... th pub trade offered compromises that have been proved to work with the issue of second hand smoke, high end ventilation systems that would allow for a smokers bar and a non smokers bar, bans only in pubs that served food, bans at the landlords discretion. Other industries asked for considerations and approaches that they suggested with techniques.for better managing the risks.

But the shame brigade demanded that they be able to dictate the rules of a private business creating stupid situations like if I am driving from the office to a meeting with a client then technically I can't smoke in the car since it is at that point an extension of my workspace.

If I own my own business as a plumber and own my own van, because it is a work vehicle it is illegal to smoke in it.... even if I am the sole person involved with either van or business other than the punter.


what happened... that's right they didn't come in and because of the breakup conversations for smoke breaks, the atmosphere suffered, there became a big dI vide between smokers and none smokers which meant that some pubs looked dead inside meaning no one new came in but rocked outside so the pub struggled to attract passing trade,


the anti's then pushed for more out of spite, they took from us our nice comfortable shelters that were built because 'that's 51% not 50' so forced pubs to tear walls down or rip holes in the roofs of the back area of the pub to conform to the rules. All to make the smoking experience miserable and shameful.

Evenue now moving to demanding pubs kick smokers out of the beer gardens and outdoor seating as this throng of people flocking to the pub now it's smoke free now promise busy trade in every beer garden if only those smokers would be bounced out again. To a little area somewhere out of sight.

Protesting and writing letters lambasting the governet for allowing x game into the uk when they won't ever have any sort of contact with the game. Snap decisions based on a 2 second clip in a news story or a talking heads diatribe in the paper.

Making it acceptable for people to 'shame' others in public and saying it is Needed and a right and moral thing to do well that's just blatantly condoning bullying,
And intimidation.

Shame and the idea of things bejng done for 'your own good' or 'the good of the public' allowing the mob to dictate the rules of a private establishment. Shame giving the government the power to ride roughshod over people's rights to make their own decisions.


Screaming and hurling abuse and crass comments about pens sizes and then claiming shrilly that you own the moral high ground is hilarious btw.

As for the direct and indirect stuff... If I am directly aFfe
Affecting you then come talk to me rationally and we can discuss and compromise (note compromise isn't I do everything you want and give up everything you demand)

But 'indirectly affecting you' then I'm Not generally quite so ameniable because to be frank I don't give a dam whether my ability to own a perfectly legal item makes you feel uncomfortable for example. Because as long as the item is used safely, legally and with the respect it deserves and isn't used to harm another then that item isn't a problem.

Similarly I really wouldn't care massively if you were offended by my chouse of reading material whilst I was on the bus as long as it fit within the courts accepted rules for public display (banning for example hardcore grot mags or hate literature)

So glaring at me for reading a gun magazine on the bus or for flicking through a bike rag with a few bikini shots in won't affect me.

Yes my rights end where yours begin but nowhere do you have the right not to be offended nor do you have the right to belittle and bully others for perfectly legal activities just because they dont fit within your sense of what the world 'should be'.

The 'sharia law zone's' in Enfield and Walthamstow only 'work' because of shame bejng used as a weapon much as has been advocated here to return society back to 'good old fashioned morality'


asmall part of that community using n the power of dirty looks... glares, intimidation and violence to shame people into 'respecting' their views and beliefs..demanding other people abide by the rules of their religion because these people have decided that area is their's.