Suicide Bunny not safe to vape ??

[VickyCaramel]

Gets complicated ...

Yes, yes it does.

It needs cool, rational analysis. This is why I give very little credibility to podcasts that start "I am so fucking angry" and are sponsored by a juice manufacturer who's major selling point is that their product is so clean that it is compliant with kosher law.

 

[Diablo]

Better dispose of them then, think ill sit on the floor.

Hang on... My floors under the carpet are concrete and its winter

Think the yanks already did for us anyway. Look at how far the effects reach

Flame Retardant Chemicals | NRDC

 

[dazz34]

starting tomorrow I'm setting up a FREE suicide bunny safe liquid disposal service.
just send me your evil unloved mother's milk and I will feed it to my kraken

 

[Diablo]

starting tomorrow I'm setting up a FREE suicide bunny safe liquid disposal service.
just send me your evil unloved mother's milk and I will feed it to my kraken

I tried sending my current 30ml bottle, but try as i might it just cant seem to get past my subtank.

 

[steffijade]

If anyone believes that any juice is absolutely safe, then they're labouring under a misapprehension.

Whilst there are degrees of potential risk, there is no absolute guarantee of safety... we're all guinea pigs to an extent and if 20 years down the line a plausible link between juice ingredients that we now consider to be relatively safe turns up, then it's just bad luck for us I suppose.

If anyone is overly concerned about flavouring ingredients in any particular brand of eliquid then it's their choice to not use it.

If the concern is deeper, people can choose to use unflavoured juice.

If concern is even deeper (possibly some folk might be concerned about using nic content), people are free to choose zero nic, unflavoured juice.

If concern is overwhelming, people can choose not to vape at all... although that won't protect them from other contaminants/particulates in the air they breathe in.

Whilst we can choose to listen to advice from many different sources (be that from Dr F, online bloggers or whoever) to help us make up our own minds, nobody forces us to use any particular brand of juice (or mod, or atty, or wicking material etc.).

Do your OWN risk assessment, weigh up the pros and cons from your OWN perspective, make your OWN choices based upon this and take responsibility for your OWN choices.

 

[Diablo]

Marvin would be a good embassador

 

[anynamewilldo85]

If anyone believes that any juice is absolutely safe, then they're labouring under a misapprehension.

Whilst there are degrees of potential risk, there is no absolute guarantee of safety... we're all guinea pigs to an extent and if 20 years down the line a plausible link between juice ingredients that we now consider to be relatively safe turns up, then it's just bad luck for us I suppose.

If anyone is overly concerned about flavouring ingredients in any particular brand of eliquid then it's their choice to not use it.

If the concern is deeper, people can choose to use unflavoured juice.

If concern is even deeper (possibly some folk might be concerned about using nic content), people are free to choose zero nic, unflavoured juice.

If concern is overwhelming, people can choose not to vape at all... although that won't protect them from other contaminants/particulates in the air they breathe in.

Whilst we can choose to listen to advice from many different sources (be that from Dr F, online bloggers or whoever) to help us make up our own minds, nobody forces us to use any particular brand of juice (or mod, or atty, or wicking material etc.).

Do your OWN risk assessment, weigh up the pros and cons from your OWN perspective, make your OWN choices based upon this and take responsibility for your OWN choices.

And if vendors provided lab results costing a fraction of the net made on the liquids they sell it would help people to make up there own mind based on evidence instead of based on hysteria and Chinese whispers

I suppose you could say lab results are meaningless unless done per batch and for small juice makers this is not feasible.

But is it not a step in the right direction?

The more demand for testing- the more competition between people offering the service. The cheaper it becomes. The more information out there for consumers - more information to assist people to actually make decisions. In terms of product evolution for consumables - as popularity increases it's more or less the defacto scenario. Once big players do it the rest have to follow suit and ultimatley the product quality increases.

I think it's likely in the next few years things will go this way.

Maybe that will result in big pharma taking over the industry though ?

Legislation and regs will rear their inevitable head. Production becomes more expensive as a whole and it's bye bye little man.

But If juice suppliers can do it them selves now and build a solid reputation and get ahead of the game...

Maybe I'm just going on and talking b.s but there's some logic here

 

[steffijade]

And if vendors provided lab results costing a fraction of the net made on the liquids they sell it would help people to make up there own mind based on evidence instead of based on hysteria and Chinese whispers

I suppose you could say lab results are meaningless unless done per batch and for small juice makers this is not feasible.

But is it not a step in the right direction?

The more demand for testing- the more competition between people offering the service. The cheaper it becomes. The more information out there for consumers - more information to assist people to actually make decisions. In terms of product evolution for consumables - as popularity increases it's more or less the defacto scenario. Once big players do it the rest have to follow suit and ultimatley the product quality increases.

I think it's likely in the next few years things will go this way.

Maybe that will result in big pharma taking over the industry though ?

Legislation and regs will rear their inevitable head. Production becomes more expensive as a whole and it's bye bye little man.

But If juice suppliers can do it them selves now and build a solid reputation and get ahead of the game...

Maybe I'm just going on and talking b.s but there's some logic here

Aye, I'm all for juice suppliers doing batch testing and I think you're right.. it's the way forward.

We as vapers need to realise that this testing doesn't come for free though and if we want to buy juices that go through testing procedures, we should be prepared to pay a little extra for that presumed peace of mind. I say presumed because we're working on the assumptions of relative safety of ingredients used. If those assumptions turn out to be false down the road, we need to be prepared to take the responsibility of choosing to use products based on those assumptions.

I should also say here, apologies If I come across as preaching... I can tend to get on my high horse a bit at times, but no offence intended.

 

[anynamewilldo85]

Aye, I'm all for juice suppliers doing batch testing and I think you're right.. it's the way forward.

We as vapers need to realise that this testing doesn't come for free though and if we want to buy juices that go through testing procedures, we should be prepared to pay a little extra for that presumed peace of mind. I say presumed because we're working on the assumptions of relative safety of ingredients used. If those assumptions turn out to be false down the road, we need to be prepared to take the responsibility of choosing to use products based on those assumptions.

I should also say here, apologies If I come across as preaching... I can tend to get on my high horse a bit at times, but no offence intended.

No not atall. Agree with what your saying.

Nice to hear people's opinions.

There certainly is potential risk and understanding of potential risks is important.

There is so much propaganda and advertising out there insinuating that vaping is 100% safe. I think We can do our selves a disservice by championing every single company out their selling juice and having almost hippy - free readical preconception that they are all on our side and we're all together.

At the end of the day it's becoming big big business. I'm sure a lot of producers out there do have people's safety in mind and are careful with their product .. at present I would guess the majority do.... However as time goes by and popularity grows even more, could it not easily open the gates for those just trying to make a quick buck....?


I noticed that p.busardo has a voting list for people regarding the juices he reviews. It says on the Web page he will only review juices from companies that will provide lab reports if asked. I That's a great idea ! Really do.