The DF at it again!

[clint]

You have to read it as it is. It's all "could" and "maybe" there is nothing written as factual.

 

[JosefK]

This report is disgusting. No surprise there.

The NYU study was to do with inhalation, not toxins. Dr Li (a dentist/mouth cancer specialist who receives funding from the US equivalent of CRUK) basically said 'IF an e-cig user inhales at a greater rate than a cig-smoker then they MAY inhale more toxins/nicotine' (paraphrasing).

Well... a) no shit sherlock and b) where's the nicotine/toxin data?

Oh and c) what was being inhaled? 0-nic? Was the nic-level sufficient for the user? Was the device capable of satisfying the user?

During a given day, I use 50mg on three active devices and 36mg on a fourth - all different home-made flavours. If I only had 12mg available, I guess I'd be reaching for the vape more... but what I use satisfies me, so I use it far less than I ever did with a cig.

Idiots the lot of 'em.

 

[Mawsley]

 

[MrPT]

I'm a 20 year + smoker - hate the things. Vaping has already helped me cut down, and maybe one day give up. Regarding the science of vaping, the only question I have is too do with the act of burning the chemicals in e-cigs. I honestly don't know enough about chemistry to know for sure how safe they are. But I know analogs are dangerous, yet legal. I have no doubt this whole debate comes down to money: taxation, tobacco companies protecting their profits, political corruption, the norm really lol I think the one thing that can save vaping is scientific analysis and a mature enthusiast culture to educate the masses.

Let me try to answer and ease your mind RE the science behind vaping

they are as safe as breathing, actually safer.

The main ingredient is pg or vg (glycerols), pg is the most common used and you will find it in everyday items including asthma inhalers.
http://wiki.planetofthevapes.co.uk/wiki/E-liquid

The second highest ingredient in most liquids is the flavoring itself, this is probably the most complex chemical in the mix as each flavouring is made up in a different process which affects taste and quality, you have some natural flavourings too.

The final ingredient is the nicotine. Nicotine does not react well with heat and under current levels of understanding alot of the nicotine is destroyed in vaping, as much as 50% in the heating(the nicotine is literally destroyed/rendered inert) process, nicotine is then mostly abosrbed through the cheeks and throat, hardly any is absorbed to the body through the lungs, the current estimated figure is approximately 30% of the nicotine content in the juice you use is abosrbed, the rest exhaled or rendered inert.

The carcinogenics that were discovered in a research project conducted in america are trace amounts and actually much lower than found in the everyday air we breath in large towns and cities being produced by cars etc
The last concerning point that is sometimes raised is of solder contamination. This was from a very early study on old style cartomisers. I dont believe that style is produced anymore, if it is they will be very very cheap, cheap enough to think "if its too good to be true it probably is". Again though that was trace amounts spun from the search for a negative when any negative result was needed.

Peruse the news section and health sectins for more information

 

[Dingbat]

http://www.pcc.org.uk/complaints/form.html <--- keep this link handy and please report the DF again!

Guess which newspaper is edited by the head of the PCC.

Personally, I wouldn't bother with them. They've long since become a parody of what a newspaper used to be.

 

[KulrMeStoopid]

Guess which newspaper is edited by the head of the PCC.

Personally, I wouldn't bother with them. They've long since become a parody of what a newspaper used to be.

Vapers have complained to PCC and they have removed previous articles.

 

[robteifi]

Nicotine does not react well with heat and under current levels of understanding alot of the nicotine is destroyed in vaping, as much as 50% just in the burning process, nicotine is then mostly abosrbed through the cheeks and throat, hardly any is absorbed to the body through the lungs, the current estimated figure is approximately 30% of the nicotine content in the juice you use is abosrbed, the rest exhaled or rendered inert.

Just a point of correction - there is of course no 'burning' involved - just heating.

 

[MrPT]

Just a point of correction - there is of course no 'burning' involved - just heating.

oops sorry yer slip of the mind, my trail of thought got through, was trying to say the nicotine is burnt off, destroyed etc will correct it to avoid confusion

 

[SmokinAces]

@KulrMeStoopid While I don't think we should have to put with with this absurd BS, a note of caution with whom we choose to pick a fight!!!! I hate to even say it, but that abhorrent excuse for toilet paper, could if they put their mind to it, really kibosh our plight (even more so than they do already). Remember they are petty ignorant arses and are always looking for an axe to grind.

The most annoying thing that the "great" British public believe the sh1t that is printed in these papers and pretty much anything they see on TV.

The masses are asleep and quite content to be so. (........Stepping off soap box)

Arrrgh this makes me so mad!!!!!!!

 

[Fleabag]

The Mail have a history of picking the wrong side, what is really worrying is that their hate campaign against ecigs will cost lives.

I do wish one of the quality papers would do an exposé of this pro-smoking agenda of the Mail's - it seems to me that there has to be some hidden player influencing their propaganda.

Is the Mail editor really on the PCC? isn't that a conflict of interest?