TPD Implemented in Denmark

[scrumpox]

If you're going for the siege mentality and stocking up, it might be wise to buy nic base and mixing your own liquids rather than buying a stash of pre mixed liquid. It's better to store liquids in a freezer if you're planning on a 'years ahead' supply, the sheer volume of space it can take up in your freezer can be a limiting factor. You'd be surprised how much space 5 litres of nic base can take up.

If the TPD does come into force, 'they' will only really be interested in controlling the sale of nic base and pre mixed liquids. Flavourings and 'straight' VG and PG shouldn't be that hard to come by (in theory).

Whichever you decide to go for (either nic base or pre mixed liquid) it's a good idea to decant it into amber glass bottles with air tight lids, leaving as small an air gap as possible (to try and prevent oxidation) and store it in the freezer.

Sage advice.

I'm still trying to get my little head around how they're planning to tax ecigs ... on the devices, on juice, based on nic content? Devices might be tough if people can and will vape zero nic, though that wouldn't stop them. Juice will be taxed based on nic content, so what about zero nic juice? Untaxed? Hmmm, bet it won't be.
If they decide to tax juice, can they justify taxing the nicotine concentrates as well? Wouldn't that be taxing it twice over as juice suppliers have to buy nic and pass that on to consumers? Maybe they'd be very happy with double bubble tax regimes.

Thing is, the sale of nic concentrate is already controlled and the TPD suggests ingredients (like nic and flavourings) control will remain within the jurisdiction of the member countries - does it not? Well, UK regulations already exist.

 

[ossettbob]

Don`t let labour find out about this or taxes on vaping will be in their manifesto !

 

[nikki from mars]

ossettbob and you think that won't happen with the Tories or any of the others? Not very likely. .. my Conservative MP basically wants to regulate as a medicine I think (based on correspondence with him) so worst of all worlds.. over regulation. .. lack of choice and massive price hikes and taxation. ..

 

[ossettbob]

One point: Tanks etc. have to be child proof. Cigarettes are allowed. I hope they have to make them child proof.

 

[scrumpox]

This is EU regulation so it's not party political in the UK. Same regs whichever party forms a government here.

Child proof fags is a different point - they have to be in plain packaging and out of sight (under the counter), no in store advertising or sales promotion.

 

[cheersm8]

I genuinely struggle to get my head around the whole TPD thing.
As I understand it, TPD stands for Tobacco Products Directive. Fair enough.
So? Take Tobacco and Nicotine out of the equation, then, theoretically, simply "vaping" flavoured propylene glycol and/or vegetable glycerine simply can not be an activity that falls within the boundaries of the TPD can it?

 

[oldhippydude]

I genuinely struggle to get my head around the whole TPD thing.
As I understand it, TPD stands for Tobacco Products Directive. Fair enough.
So? Take Tobacco and Nicotine out of the equation, then, theoretically, simply "vaping" flavoured propylene glycol and/or vegetable glycerine simply can not be an activity that falls within the boundaries of the TPD can it?

The e-shisha loophole.Does it exist and how far can it be stretched?
It depends what they ban.Equipment for vaporizing nicotine or any equipment that can be used to vaporize nicotine.

 

[cheersm8]

The e-shisha loophole.Does it exist and how far can it be stretched?
It depends what they ban.Equipment for vaporizing nicotine or any equipment that can be used to vaporize nicotine.

Exactly! That's what makes me unable to understand the entire thing. Paper is equipment that can be used to contain tobacco for the purpose of ignition, smoking and the delivery of nocotine, along with "briar pipes" yet neither get a mention within the TPD.
My logical (well, sometimes logical) brain, keeps telling me that the only vaping related component that could, justifiably, fall within the realms of the TPD is liquid containing nicotine.

 

[oldhippydude]

Exactly! That's what makes me unable to understand the entire thing. Paper is equipment that can be used to contain tobacco for the purpose of ignition, smoking and the delivery of nocotine, along with "briar pipes" yet neither get a mention within the TPD.

It will be if odd you can go down many high streets and buy a bong but not a vaporizer for you nic free sisha but that seems to be what is happening in other countries.
Since when was it a requirement of the law that it made sense.

 

[Mawsley]

...or any equipment that can be used to vaporize nicotine.

Better not or my plans to mod a toaster goes right out of the window.