Vaping is under threat

[oldhippydude]

Maybe we should start a list of vaper friendly companies/ places ? Then we'd all be a bit surer of where we stand.
I don't agree with plumes of vape in people's faces but generally saying no to vaping , in my humble opinion, is a bit ignorant and ill informed . After all it's just steam !

A good idea in principle but the problem is that many places are probably ok with considerate vapers that keep the clouds down but it only takes one or two incidents with inconsiderate vapers upsetting other customers with unnecessarily cloudage for a vaper friendly policy to change.
The pubs I vape in have a small number of vapers mostly using small ego devices, I would worry if they were widely listed as vaper friendly because There is a real risk of policy change when they get their first cloudy vapers. It has hapened to too many pubs in the past.

If an establishment wishes to target the vaper customer base at the expense of other sections of the market, that could make sense in large towns but most vape friendly pubs are only friendly up to a point. That point will be different in different establishments or even the same establishment depending on how busy it is. So it is not easy to say how vape friendly an establishment is. Unless a pub chooses to describe itself as vape friendly, it could be counter productive for others to promote it as such.

 

[nats2403]

A good idea in principle but the problem is that many places are probably ok with considerate vapers that keep the clouds down but it only takes one or two incidents with inconsiderate vapers upsetting other customers with unnecessarily cloudage for a vaper friendly policy to change.
The pubs I vape in have a small number of vapers mostly using small ego devices, I would worry if they were widely listed as vaper friendly because There is a real risk of policy change when they get their first cloudy vapers. It has hapened to too many pubs in the past.

If an establishment wishes to target the vaper customer base at the expense of other sections of the market, that could make sense in large towns but most vape friendly pubs are only friendly up to a point. That point will be different in different establishments or even the same establishment depending on how busy it is. So it is not easy to say how vape friendly an establishment is. Unless a pub chooses to describe itself as vape friendly, it could be counter productive for others to promote it as such.

True, always got to have a few people spoil things. I stand corrected !

 

[overlord]

If you are reading this there is a good chance that you are new to the world of vaping, so firstly WELCOME to the community

Vaping has been around since 2006, and has increased greatly in popularity. Vaping is what is known as a 'disruptive technology' - it developed outside the normal channels by which consumer products are brought to the market. As a result of that it has been largely unregulated, but this is about to change.

In every country across the world governments are introducing regulations. In some countries these are extremely restrictive, to the point where the purchase of vaping products is banned. In others there has so far been a somewhat more enlightened approach.

Now don't get me wrong, regulations with regards to vaping are not all bad - in fact I would go as far as to say that some regulation is essential. The key is that the regulation needs to be proportionate, and a ban on vaping or purchasing vaping products most definitely is not that.

Now before you all run around screaming like chickens with their heads cut off, all is not lost. There are a large and varied range of campaigns, lobbying and legal actions taking place. These aim to shape regulation in a way that protects people from shoddy products and prevents the purchase of products by children, but still allows vaping to exist and grow and fulfil its potential AND YOU CAN HELP.

I have listed some of the most important actions and organisations (imo) that are fighting on behalf of vaping, along with links that allow you to sign up and show your support, add your name to a petition, or otherwise get involved. If you want to take it further and become an active vaping advocate there are lots of opportunities within the organisations listed.



Totally Wicked are a vape vendor that is mounting a legal challenge against impending regulations in Europe (The Tobacco Products Directive). You can sign to support their challenge - the more endorsements they get the better. Article 20 Tobacco Products Directive Legal Challenge - Totally Wicked Legal Challenge Article 20 TPD

The New Nicotine Alliance (NNA) is a registered charity whose board is made up of vapers, public health analysts and scientists. They are involved in lobbying the British government, advising professional bodies and briefing the media with regards to reduced risk nicotine delivery devices. You can sign up to be a supporter here Supporter sign-up form - New Nicotine Alliance UK

M.O.V.E is a body of scientists and medical professionals that are in support of vaping and electronic cigarettes. If your doctor or other health professional is in support of vaping please pass them the details of the organisation and ask them to sign up https://sciencecig.wordpress.com/move/

AIDUCE is the French Independent Association of Electronic Cigarette Users, their petition against the implementation of the Tobacco Products Directive has been gathering strength. Anyone can sign it, the rules which affect all of us could be defeated in any country, and all of us would reap the benefit. This page provides an English translation of the petition - clicking on the picture at the top takes you to the online form. Aiduce Anti TPD Petition | vapers.org.uk

CASAA is the Consumer Advocates for Smokefree Alternatives Association in America. It started out on a vaping forum in 2009 and now has over 40,000 members. You can sign up to be notified of any Calls to Action for the area in which you live, and you can also add your testimonial to their collection of success stories about vaping and smoke-free alternatives. http://casaa.org/E-cig_User_Testimonials.html

Vapers in Power is a political party, registered in the UK with the Electoral Commission. The party was set up by a group of ordinary vapers in response to a clause in the Tobacco Products Directive that could have a direct effect on the free speech of vapers. Each week they publish a Call to Action on the forums, Facebook and Twitter which has things you can do to help vaping. These include petitions, protests, letters and government consultations. http://vapersinpower.co.uk/call-to-action

Hey I'm new to this forum and not really new to vaping but just unsure about the "TPD" why is it so bad for the UK and other country's? Does it really affect having a big mod and juice?

 

[Diche]

Hey I'm new to this forum and not really new to vaping but just unsure about the "TPD" why is it so bad for the UK and other country's? Does it really affect having a big mod and juice?

If you are an established British vaper who buys kit online it will inconvenience you. If you are a small eliquid manufacturer it might put you out of business. If you are a smoker who is thinking about using an ecig to quit it might render it as effective (or not) as patches and gum.

However we have it fairly easy so far. That doesn't mean it can't be made worse later though. To give you an example of what worse looks like the Finnish version of the TPD is possibly the best example.

If you are in Finland
You won't be able to buy eliquid in any flavour except tobacco.
You won't be able to legally purchase eliquid online either from within Finland or abroad.
If you are travelling you won't be able to carry more than 10ml of eliquid into the country.
These rules are in addition to the limit on liquid strength which makes it hard for a smoker to transition. Plus their notification costs are higher so their eliquid manufacturing industry will be just about wiped out.

Fighting is what has got us where we are

 

[bluepebble]

I'm going on holiday next week via Gatwick South terminal, does anyone know if you can vape there airside anywhere, I'm thinking not tbh.

 

[wheniwake]

I'm going on holiday next week via Gatwick South terminal, does anyone know if you can vape there airside anywhere, I'm thinking not tbh.

According to the "Gatwick airport guide" it is not permitted anywhere inside the terminal.

 

[nats2403]

I'm going on holiday next week via Gatwick South terminal, does anyone know if you can vape there airside anywhere, I'm thinking not tbh.

Just ask ! We went via Heathrow t3 in May and I sat in the departure lounge for about an hour desperate for a drag. Thought 'sod this ' and asked a couple of staff . They all said its ok as long as your not walking around! Couldn't believe it !
So there I sat vaping away until we had to go to our gate.
SO ASK !!!

 

[nats2403]

I think Heathrow has the same policy of not anywhere but ASK !
Let me know how you get on coz we going next month from Gatwick and it'll be good to know !
Ta

 

[wheniwake]

Just ask ! We went via Heathrow t3 in May and I sat in the departure lounge for about an hour desperate for a drag. Thought 'sod this ' and asked a couple of staff . They all said its ok as long as your not walking around! Couldn't believe it !
So there I sat vaping away until we had to go to our gate.
SO ASK !!!

It's permitted in Heathrow. As far as your departure gate.

 

[bluepebble]

Will definately ask the question at Gatwick on Friday.