" Vaping not better than quitting smoking"

[Angryoldgit]

All things are relative according to Albert Einstein

"Are e-cigs safer than tobacco cigarettes? Maybe. But if you had to choose between fighting a tiger or fighting a lion, or fighting neither, which would you choose? Just because vaping might — and I meanmight*— be a little safer than smoking does not make it safe."

Let's try to make this simple. Water, per se, is vital to life, and relatively innocuous. But I do not drink sea-water. There are millions of chemicals in it. There are radioactive elements in it. There are microbes in it. I've been told since I was a child that I should not drink it. So I don't. But I happily swim in it Occasionally I accidentally swallow a little, but it never harmed me. And, rightly, no-one has ever passed a law prohibiting me from drinking it.

Fresh water contains far fewer impurities, but it still contains a large number of unpleasant substances, many of animal origin (from animals that I am happy to eat), and microbes. I was told as a child not to drink it, and I don't. I happily swim in it. No one ever passed a law prohibiting me from drinking it.

Out of my tap flows drinking water. I was taught as a child that it was safe to drink. It contains many chemicals, and many microbes, trace minerals including some that originated in nuclear explosions, and are known to be carcinogenic. If someone wanted to pass a law that said, "You may not drink this, because it is not safe!", my answer would be, "Can it not be made safe, but still drinkable?"

When a law is proposed that says, in effect, "You may not drink this because we cannot be sure whether it is safe or not, and we do not think your children could tell the difference between this and sea water!", I think I would just question the sanity of the law-maker.

E-cigs are are to tobacco what tap-water is to sea water. They are probably not 100% safe, but the alternatives are far, far worse!

 

[VaperCaper]

more and more people are turning to “vaping,” either in an effort to quit smoking tobacco cigarettes, or to begin their initial journey into nicotine addiction.

Where is the evidence for this? In fact even if you can evidence of this happening in any statistically significant numbers, if, as the evidence shows to date, vaping is mostly harmless, then what's the problem. Many people everyday begin their journey into caffeine addiction, only noone cares about that cos i's mostly harmless.

At the moment no one regulates this product

Wrong.

and what exactly we’re inhaling into our lungs remains a mystery.

Wrong.

For the record, many e-cigarette cartridges are made in China, where controls are lax and human safety often appears to be of little concern.

true but the hyperbole about poor manufacturing standards is misplaced. a LOT of items, especially consumer electronics, are made in China. Most phones, TVs, games consoles, computers, and tablets are made in Asia and we aren't concerend with those being of poor manufacture.

Are e-cigs safer than tobacco cigarettes? Maybe. But if you had to choose between fighting a tiger or fighting a lion, or fighting neither, which would you choose? Just because vaping might — and I meanmight*— be a little safer than smoking does not make it safe.

Plumbing the depths of evidence free twaddle here. If you had to choose between fighting a Lion, or fighting a 6 week old kitten, might be a better comparison. Vapin is 99% safer than smoking according to much publicised and cuurrently best understood science right now. We need to wait a while for long term stuff to become clear, but that doesn't mean the long term stuff looks bleak, far from it.

Nicotine, whether from an e-cig or a tobacco cigarette, is extremely addictive and cancer-promoting.

Nicotine is NOT addictive. Smoking is addictive, and *still* noone actually knows why.

It’s associated with birth defects and developmental disorders. Some studies are finding that, just like tobacco, e-cigs contain formaldehyde (which is used as a fungicide, germicide, and a disinfectant), diethylene glycol (a poisonous compound also found in antifreeze) and other harmful metals and compounds, many of which are cancer-causing.

this is beyond twaddle, this is a pile of fucking shite, to be blunt.

Nicotine is not cancer promoting. E-cigs do not contain formaldehyde or di-ethylene glycol. there was a 2009 FDA study that found Di-ethylene glycol in one sample. ECITA regularly test liquids, have racked up a lot of results at this point and haven't found that in any liquids tested. The market has changed a lot in the past 5 years. this "journalists" understanding appears not to have, and they appear to be a bit heavy on the preconceived bias.

 

[3dj]

Ditto on the utter bollocks thing. I'm sick of reading similar shite about vaping.

 

[anthonyb]

PG is also used in food colourings, food flavourings, many things we eat and never even know it's in there unless you look so technically what theyre saying is we shouldnt eat either.

With you on the one. But in the context of us vapers inhaling it, the "used in aircon in hospitals" (I think in asthma inhalers as well) fits better. As when it's in food stuffs, they will say it's meant for eating, not inhaling. They can't argue with the aircon argument.

 

[tknoyle]

With you on the one. But in the context of us vapers inhaling it, the "used in aircon in hospitals" (I think in asthma inhalers as well) fits better. As when it's in food stuffs, they will say it's meant for eating, not inhaling. They can't argue with the aircon argument.

True but they'll make some argument as to thats safer coz its filtered shit or some bull like that.

 

[Huggett]

Hey guys I have my opinion this is complete BS, it feels like to me anyway the OP is coming under fire from this.

Please just remember he copied this from the 'news', he didn't write it :-)

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[EntropicVapes]

I like the sneaky use of language they use: 'Cancer promoting'. Sure, nicotine, like several other stimulants, can promote the growth of cancer *if you already have it* but they slip it into their argument in such a way that makes it seem like nicotine causes cancer!

 

[Silinio]

What it pissed me off about all this that they get the attention out of the real problem, the cigs. It also piss me off the banning attitude instead of researching for safer products for eliquid if any.

 

[VaperCaper]

Hey guys I have my opinion this is complete BS, it feels like to me anyway the OP is coming under fire from this.

Please just remember he copied this from the 'news', he didn't write it :-)

Yeah I know the OP pasted this in from a "news" paper and didn't write it

The press have been running with a lot of 'scare stories' recently. This is both a good thing and a bad thing.

It's a good thing as it shows that the only thing they have left bad to say against vaping is made up bullshit.
It's a bad thing as if this crap gets repeated often enough and is unchallenged quite a few people will believe it.

Given that we now live in an age of social media, where most bad stories get tweeted/shared and more and more of the media that people read now is online via their phones/tablets rather than printed, the scare mongerers are having a harder time of things than in years gone by.

 

[knome]

Given that we now live in an age of social media, where most bad stories get tweeted/shared and more and more of the media that people read now is online via their phones/tablets rather than printed, the scare mongerers are having a harder time of things than in years gone by.

It works both ways. Sifting through crap to find the truth now requires an industrial scale BSometer.