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Hiya guys, long time vaper here from UK.

A little background about me:

Like many here I was a smoker before becoming a vaper. I started working on a market stall when I was 15 (I'm 38 now). It was almost compulsary to smoke back then, and I recall my first cigg being a menthol because I thought minty = safer lol. I smoked menthols for about 2 week then switched to Berkley Red Superkings. I was a heavy smoker and in my early 20's switched to Marlboro Lights which I smoked exclusively till I was around 24, at this stage money took a turn for the worse and I switched to Golden Virginia (roll ups). I smoked till being around 34 then quit for a year cold turkey. Anyone who has smoked knows full well your never truly clear of the habit and sure enough due to stress and such, I bought a small pouch of GV and started again, but hated myself for it, and instantly felt the negative effects come seeping back within a few days (coughing, phlegm etc).

A friend told me to try Vaping. I tried the throwaways from a store, and while it had potential, it tasted vile. I did some research into Vaping, and was amazed how much was on the market, flavours etc. Cutting a long story short, after trying several products, VIP Cartomizers got me completely off of analogues. I used those for about 6 months without a single analogue. Around this time VIP were having some issues with their cartomizers and were being forced to change them, the new ones sucked, and then the whole nicotine law came into effect for E-Ciggs, meaning if you wanted high nic (I was on 18mg) then you needed to mix! With some amazing help and advice on the forums I discovered The Alchemist Cupboard and his RY4 mix, on emailing these guys I was aided in how to mix and where to buy Nic from in 72mg bottles. I have used the same mix exclusively up until last week. TFA RY4 Double, it was a beautiful vape, and whilst I became desensitized to the taste pretty fast, I continued to vape 50/50 PG/VG mix at 18mg on a Coolfire 4+ setup with Aspire Nautilus Mini Tank. Just like many here, the mod became a 2nd limb as I chain vaped. I loved vaping, but recently stopped last week.

I'm not one to be scaremongered and in truth missed all these news stories initially. I know Vaping had a negative effect on me, and many vapers I have spoke to had shown similar symptoms, nothing extremely bad, but short of breath, post nasal drip, coughing up phlegm etc. When you find a replacement for ciggs, you want that replacement to be risk free, and I think the issue with a lot of vapers is they are convincing themselves their E-Cigg is safe because they want it to be. I feel the news is taking things too far, but is there any truth in it? Whilst we want Vaping to be safe, truth is nobody knows for sure what the long term effects are of inhaling un-natural chemicals into your lungs. I've seen people swear blind their mod is safe, when fact is, they don't know.

So why did I stop? if I loved it so much? About 6 months ago I noticed my eye-sight was getting pretty squiffy, had an eye test, no issues. Couple of months later I developed pins and needles in both feet and hands (constantly) after a week or so this spread to my upper arms and face! Went to the doctors for a full MOT and thorough blood tests and ECG. Heart is fine, bloods perfect, doctors baffled. Went back to the Opticians, and while I drink a ton of water, they eventually discovered I had severe Dry-Eye, causing blurred vision. I upped my water in-take and used drops nothing changed. Last week worry got the better of me and I quit vaping. It IS just as hard as quitting Ciggs, I'm using patches and mist spray from Nicorette, but within 3 days the pins and needles have completely vanished. A few more days and my vision is improving massively.

This is just my observations, and is by no means another scaremonger post, I am interested if any fellow Vapers have experienced similar? I have been chain vaping over 3 years and these symptoms only appeared in the 3rd year, whats crazy is quitting vaping has totally cleared everything up (eyes still not 100%). I was convinced I had diabetes as many of those symptoms reflect that issue, but tests came back clean. My ingredients never changed during vaping, same Nic, same PG/VG direct from TAC store online, same flavour. Same mod same tank, I used 1.8ohm coils and they were always genuine as bought direct from Aspire.

I'm interested in hearing if anyone else has experienced any negatives to vaping, and if you feel there's any merit in these news stories. The USA stories seem blown up as users were taking part in dodgy CBD oil vaping, and the lad in the UK had a rare Lung Disorder, but it makes you wonder right? My issues alone have made me question the hobby I love.
 
Very strange.
I've been chain vaping for 10 years and now at the age of 50 I have never felt better in my adult life. I started back in the gym 6 months ago after not going for 10 years due to a bad injury. I do think if I stopped I'd have more lung capacity but I'm not suffering in any way.
When I first started mixing I did find the 50% PG dried me out and in particular gave me an itchy right arm lol. So then I made everything max VG and was fine. Then I found sqonking and went to 30PG and again I've been fine since.
Sorry to hear something has affected you and hopefully you get to the bottom of the problem.I certainly don't think people should be scared to voice concerns and experiences but it's the dam right dishonesty and corruption that gets to vapers I think.
 
Appreciate the respectful post. In over 4 years of vaping I am not aware of any issues vaping may have caused. I started in order to give up the fags and have in general felt better for it.
 
I notice a plenty of contradiction in that post. You know vaping caused this but others don’t know if vaping is safer, don’t know if their mod is safe etc etc? What makes you the expert? There’s plenty wrong here but I’m calling nonsense and getting on with my day.
 
I'm sorry, but some of your post is ringing alarm bells for me...

Around this time VIP were having some issues with their cartomizers and were being forced to change them, the new ones sucked, and then the whole nicotine law came into effect for E-Ciggs, meaning if you wanted high nic (I was on 18mg) then you needed to mix!
If you vape 18mg, then under the "nicotine law" otherwise known as the TPD in the EU and the TRPR in the UK, the only way that law affects you is that it limits you to 10ml bottles, and that applies to any strength of nicotine, not just high nicotine.

In all the vape shops and online vendors, 18mg juice is freely available, so you do *not* have to mix.

I was convinced I had diabetes as many of those symptoms reflect that issue, but tests came back clean. My ingredients never changed during vaping, same Nic, same PG/VG direct from TAC store online, same flavour. Same mod same tank, I used 1.8ohm coils and they were always genuine as bought direct from Aspire.
Perhaps you have a PG intolerance, or an allergy to something in the setup you never changed from.
 
I notice a plenty of contradiction in that post. You know vaping caused this but others don’t know if vaping is safer, don’t know if their mod is safe etc etc? What makes you the expert? There’s plenty wrong here but I’m calling nonsense and getting on with my day.

I don't know if Vaping caused my issues, it's simply an observation, and I am asking if anyone else experienced this, I did expect hostility to a degree, but my post has no contradictions, just my own personal facts, this could be totally non vape related, I am simply asking, this isn't an anti Vape post, if you took in what I wrote without barging in with your pitchfork, you'd see I have been pro vape for a long time. Enjoy your day.

I'm sorry, but some of your post is ringing alarm bells for me...


If you vape 18mg, then under the "nicotine law" otherwise known as the TPD in the EU and the TRPR in the UK, the only way that law affects you is that it limits you to 10ml bottles, and that applies to any strength of nicotine, not just high nicotine.

In all the vape shops and online vendors, 18mg juice is freely available, so you do *not* have to mix.


Perhaps you have a PG intolerance, or an allergy to something in the setup you never changed from.

I'm not sure why alarm bells are ringing, again there's no need being so defensive, I am pro vape. I am not an expert at all, I was told by someone on these forums a fair while back (I'll try find the post actually) that if I want to continue using 18mg I'd need to mix, I didn't look into it, I just took the advice of others and The Alchemist Cupboard and started mixing, which worked out cheaper anyways. Again, I am no expert, if I mis-interpreted the law then apologies, while not factual and an error on my part, the main purpose of my post is to see if anyone else experiences issues. I understand everyones defensive, and I was too, but I am grown up enough to know that what we do/did isn't fully researched, so while I also defend vaping, like you guys, you also have to appreciate your (just like me) shooting in the dark here.
 
Hiya guys, long time vaper here from UK.

A little background about me:

Like many here I was a smoker before becoming a vaper. I started working on a market stall when I was 15 (I'm 38 now). It was almost compulsary to smoke back then, and I recall my first cigg being a menthol because I thought minty = safer lol. I smoked menthols for about 2 week then switched to Berkley Red Superkings. I was a heavy smoker and in my early 20's switched to Marlboro Lights which I smoked exclusively till I was around 24, at this stage money took a turn for the worse and I switched to Golden Virginia (roll ups). I smoked till being around 34 then quit for a year cold turkey. Anyone who has smoked knows full well your never truly clear of the habit and sure enough due to stress and such, I bought a small pouch of GV and started again, but hated myself for it, and instantly felt the negative effects come seeping back within a few days (coughing, phlegm etc).

A friend told me to try Vaping. I tried the throwaways from a store, and while it had potential, it tasted vile. I did some research into Vaping, and was amazed how much was on the market, flavours etc. Cutting a long story short, after trying several products, VIP Cartomizers got me completely off of analogues. I used those for about 6 months without a single analogue. Around this time VIP were having some issues with their cartomizers and were being forced to change them, the new ones sucked, and then the whole nicotine law came into effect for E-Ciggs, meaning if you wanted high nic (I was on 18mg) then you needed to mix! With some amazing help and advice on the forums I discovered The Alchemist Cupboard and his RY4 mix, on emailing these guys I was aided in how to mix and where to buy Nic from in 72mg bottles. I have used the same mix exclusively up until last week. TFA RY4 Double, it was a beautiful vape, and whilst I became desensitized to the taste pretty fast, I continued to vape 50/50 PG/VG mix at 18mg on a Coolfire 4+ setup with Aspire Nautilus Mini Tank. Just like many here, the mod became a 2nd limb as I chain vaped. I loved vaping, but recently stopped last week.

I'm not one to be scaremongered and in truth missed all these news stories initially. I know Vaping had a negative effect on me, and many vapers I have spoke to had shown similar symptoms, nothing extremely bad, but short of breath, post nasal drip, coughing up phlegm etc. When you find a replacement for ciggs, you want that replacement to be risk free, and I think the issue with a lot of vapers is they are convincing themselves their E-Cigg is safe because they want it to be. I feel the news is taking things too far, but is there any truth in it? Whilst we want Vaping to be safe, truth is nobody knows for sure what the long term effects are of inhaling un-natural chemicals into your lungs. I've seen people swear blind their mod is safe, when fact is, they don't know.

So why did I stop? if I loved it so much? About 6 months ago I noticed my eye-sight was getting pretty squiffy, had an eye test, no issues. Couple of months later I developed pins and needles in both feet and hands (constantly) after a week or so this spread to my upper arms and face! Went to the doctors for a full MOT and thorough blood tests and ECG. Heart is fine, bloods perfect, doctors baffled. Went back to the Opticians, and while I drink a ton of water, they eventually discovered I had severe Dry-Eye, causing blurred vision. I upped my water in-take and used drops nothing changed. Last week worry got the better of me and I quit vaping. It IS just as hard as quitting Ciggs, I'm using patches and mist spray from Nicorette, but within 3 days the pins and needles have completely vanished. A few more days and my vision is improving massively.

This is just my observations, and is by no means another scaremonger post, I am interested if any fellow Vapers have experienced similar? I have been chain vaping over 3 years and these symptoms only appeared in the 3rd year, whats crazy is quitting vaping has totally cleared everything up (eyes still not 100%). I was convinced I had diabetes as many of those symptoms reflect that issue, but tests came back clean. My ingredients never changed during vaping, same Nic, same PG/VG direct from TAC store online, same flavour. Same mod same tank, I used 1.8ohm coils and they were always genuine as bought direct from Aspire.

I'm interested in hearing if anyone else has experienced any negatives to vaping, and if you feel there's any merit in these news stories. The USA stories seem blown up as users were taking part in dodgy CBD oil vaping, and the lad in the UK had a rare Lung Disorder, but it makes you wonder right? My issues alone have made me question the hobby I love.
Thank you for your post it's made for interesting reading.
You say your symptoms stopped within 3 days of quitting vaping?
And you've stayed vape free and your symptoms have not come back.
In the interests of exploring this further would you be interested in trying vaping again to see if those symptoms return?
It would also be helpful to others if you would isolate what it is in the vaping thats caused it by removing a component one by one maybe starting at the most suspect propylene glycol which is known to cause an irritant to some.
Usually skin complaints.
 
I am probably not alone in wondering why you would join a vaping forum at the point where either you have just stopped vaping as you say in this thread, or you are going to stop vaping in the new year, as you state in your post on the lung horror thread.

Are you looking for confirmation for your self diagnosis?
Are you here to save us from ours
 
I am probably not alone in wondering why you would join a vaping forum at the point where either you have just stopped vaping as you say in this thread, or you are going to stop vaping in the new year, as you state in your post on the lung horror thread.

Are you looking for confirmation for your self diagnosis?
Are you here to save us from ours

I was already a member. I'm not sure if you have ever smoked, but within a few days your looking for excuses to start again. Vaping is no different, problem is I hated smoking, but it took hold of me like it does many people, I actually loved vaping, again I am not anti-vape. Look, the whole point of my post is a contribution of my own investigation, I don't lie on the internet or stir trouble, I am as genuine as they come, and I'll be honest, I want to vape again! I love it, I miss it, and yes I am struggling, I am not convincing anyone to stop, if anything looking to see if anyone else has these issues and what may cause, thus far only Strawberry has offered any insight in the possible PG issues with skin irritations.

I'd like to ask Strawberry what ingredients would you isolate? The PG? as in try 100% VG? Main issue is getting past the misses who if I start again will kick off lmao.

I'm also wondering is 18mg considered extreme? I see many here are vaping 6 - 12mg
 
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