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Unfortunelty we know very little about nicotine outside of cigarette smoke, most of the research we have is 'Clouded' by the fact it is in tobacco. New research is coming out now though that is putting this all in a new light.

it seems that nicotine itself seems to be about as addictive as coffee, but when combined with 5 of his alkaloid friends commonly found in tobacco , the addiction level shoots through the roof.

IF anything proves it, it is the fact that when i was smoking i would tear a head off after an hour without a smoke, now i can go 8-12 hours with no problems whatsoever. hell i can handle a 11 hour flight followed by a quick hour layover and a further 8 hour flight and not feel like killing an air hostess. it is a different ballgame outside tobacco.
 
Adding on from my prevoius post, here is a little light reading on the subject.
Sure peer reviewed papers would be nice and take everything other than that with a pinch of salt, but it is hard to dismiss out of hand especially seeing that it isnt a 'vaping' article but rather on nicotine in general.
 
Adding on from my prevoius post, here is a little light reading on the subject.
Sure peer reviewed papers would be nice and take everything other than that with a pinch of salt, but it is hard to dismiss out of hand especially seeing that it isnt a 'vaping' article but rather on nicotine in general.
Good read. Treating cognitive disorders is one of the more exciting prospects of nicotine as a therapeutic treatment.

These findings fly in the face of nicotine’s reputation as one of the most addictive substances known, but it’s a reputation built on myth. Tobacco may well be as addictive as heroin, as some have claimed. But as scientists know, getting mice or other animals hooked on nicotine alone is dauntingly difficult. As a 2007 paper in the journal Neuropharmacology put it: “Tobacco use has one of the highest rates of addiction of any abused drug.” Paradoxically it’s almost impossible to get laboratory animals hooked on pure nicotine, though it has a mildly pleasant effect.

In short, the estimated 45.3 million people, or 19.3 percent of all adults, in the United States who still smoke are not nicotine fiends. They’re nicotine-anabasine-nornicotine-anatabine-cotinine-myosmine-acetaldehyde-and-who-knows-what-else fiends. It is tobacco, with its thousands of chemical constituents, that rightly merits our fear and loathing as the Great Satan of addictiveness. Nicotine, alone: not so much.
 
Well, I have major problems with out my vapes. Ask my wife as she has to deal with the brunt of it. And if I had to go without them for any lengthy period of time I'd be down the shop buying a pack of fags. My experience backs this up. :p

Your reported experience is valid , and worth mentioning. And that's an experience that a few of us share.

However, you can't just ignore all the other points raised on this thread, borne out by research as well as by other people's personal experience. It is obvious that if nicotine is highly addictive, then it is only highly addictive for some individuals, not the majority. You therefore can't reasonably generalise.

You're neglecting the fact that some things can be psychologically habit-forming, without being chemically addictive.

You're also neglecting the observation that nicotine can be therapeutic for an increasingly long list of health conditions, notably neurological disorders.

Quite a number of people are walking round with undiagnosed medfical conditions, so don't lightlly rule this out as a possiblility in your case. There's a lot of evidence to suggest that people are self medicating witjh nicotine, either knowingly or unknowingly, in which case their "niciorine withdrawal symptoms" might be largely due to the withdrawl of therapy, not due to addiction as such.

My own personal experience is that I took up smoking in my teens, as an easy way of being be sociable , and kept it up in spite of the increasing social pressure to stop, becauise I'd found that it helped me to concentrate , and also helped me to cope with social situations. I was , initially able to overcome my addiction, whenevber I neded to save nmoney, but at a price; the price being that I would be very reclusive , scatterebrained and dopey (or rather much more than usual) during these periods, much as I was during my chilhood , indeed.

I didn't like to think that I was self-medicationg, but, after doing a bit of research into nicotine's action on the brain, and a lot of hard thinkinng I eventually had to admit it to myself. This was before research began to shed light on miccotine;s therapeutic efffects, so I rearely admitted that to anybody else. When I diid, I'd be predictablty accused of coming up with the most off-the-wall excuse for my habit ever devised.

At some (quite recent) point in the journey, I was found to have Asperger's Syndrome as well as multiple "learning disabilities" . These had not recognised during my youth , because they were not well-known back then but Conversely, it was well-known that hifghly intelligent kids don't have problems, but rather an unfair advantahe over other kids. My problems had therefore therefore explained away as "laziness" , "attention-seeking" etc, and also had to see a child psychriatist on account of my unwillingness to join in with other children. No medical diagnosis was ever proffered . The psychiatrists just said I was "an absent-minded professeor"

More recently, I've been found to have an underlying progressive metabolic disorder. There is no effective medicauion, but nicotine, caffeine and suigar all hekp considerebly with mitigating the symptoms, so it looks as if I shall remain self-medicatibng to my dying day (which is likely tto be earlier than avererage)

Nicotine addiction is not my problem, but withdrawal of my nicotine therapy would give me all sorts of problems, nonetheless. So says my personal experience, and thankfully, medical research is beginning to provide some considerable support for those assertions.

As you can see, I've thought long and hard about all this, and looked into the relevant research. You, on the other hand, have simply leapt to the obvious conclusion, and refused to pay atteention to other people's comments. So why the heck should we listen to your opinions? Because you type them out in big red letters, then reiterate them on every page? Oh, yeah, there's that, for what it's worth.
 
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It is obvious that if nicotine is highly addictive, then it is only highly addictive for some individuals, not the majority.

Not the majority? really.... where are you getting that from?
 
Not the majority? really.... where are you getting that from?

conclusion based on overview of research, plus overview of posts from actual vapers on various e-cig forums ( I've ony recently started joining in and posting, but I've been reading these things for the best part of a decade). Must admit, I haven't made an actual study, complete with statistical analysis, but my impression is that the majority of vapers (or the majority of vapers who post on the internet , if different ) don't find nicotine highly addictive. This would explain why research suggests that it isn't highly addictive.

Sorry , I didn't imagine that statement might be controversial.
 
Your reported experience is valid , and worth mentioning. And that's an experience that a few of us share.

However, you can't just ignore all the other points raised on this thread, borne out by research as well as by other people's personal experience. It is obvious that if nicotine is highly addictive, then it is only highly addictive for some individuals, not the majority. You therefore can't reasonably generalise.

You're neglecting the fact that some things can be psychologically habit-forming, without being chemically addictive.

You're also neglecting the observation that nicotine can be therapeutic for an increasingly long list of health conditions, notably neurological disorders.

Quite a number of people are walking round with undiagnosed medfical conditions, so don't lightlly rule this out as a possiblility in your case. There's a lot of evidence to suggest that people are self medicating witjh nicotine, either knowingly or unknowingly, in which case their "niciorine withdrawal symptoms" might be largely due to the withdrawl of therapy, not due to addiction as such.

My own personal experience is that I took up smoking in my teens, as an easy way of being be sociable , and kept it up in spite of the increasing social pressure to stop, becauise I'd found that it helped me to concentrate , and also helped me to cope with social situations. I was , initially able to overcome my addiction, whenevber I neded to save nmoney, but at a price; the price being that I would be very recusive , scatterebrained and dopey (or rather much more than usual) during these periods, much as I was during my chilhood , indeed.

I didn't like to think that I was self-medicationg, but, after doing a bit of research into nicotine's action on the brain, and a lot of hard thinkinng I eventually had to admit it to myself. This was before research began to shed light on miccotine;s therapeutic efffects, so I rearely adnitted that to anybody else. When I diid, I'd be predictablty accused of coming up with the most off-the-wall excuse for my habit ever devised.

At some (quite recent) point in the journey, I was found to have Asperger's Syndrome as well as multiple "learning disabilities" . These had not recognised during my youth , because they were not well-known back then but Conversely, it was well-known that hifghly intelligent kids don't have problems, but rather an unfair advantahe over other kids. My problems had therefore therefore explained away as "laziness" , "attention-seeking" etc, and also had to see a child psychriatist on account of my unwillingness to join in with other children. No medical diagnosis was ever proferred . The psychiatrists just said I was "an absent-minded professeor"

More recebntly, I've ben found to have an underlying progressive metabolic disorder. There is no effective medicauion, but nicotine, caffeine and suigar all hekp considerebly with mitigating the symptoms, so it looks as if I shall remain self=medicatibng to my dying day (which is likely tto be earlier than avererage)

Nicotine addiction is not my problem, but withdrawal of my nicotine therapy would give me all sorts of problems, nonetheless. So says my personal experience, and thankfully, medical research is beginning to provide some considerable support for those assertions.

As you can see, I've thought long and hard about all this, and looked into the relevant research. You, on the other hand, have simply leapt to the obvious conclusion, and refused to pay atteention to other people's comments. So why the heck should we listen to your opinions? Because you type them out in big red letters, then reiterate them on every page? Oh, yeah, there's that, for what it's worth.

You replied to me! I wasn't responding to you and I sure as hell haven't asked you to listen to me or do anything else so don't get it twisted. Don't like what I say then don't read it. No need to get your panties all twisted up now is there?
 
conclusion based on overview of research, plus overview of posts from actual vapers on various e-cig forums ( I've ony recently started posting, but I've ben reading these things for the best part of a decade). Must admit I hasven't made an acrual study, complete with statistical analysis, but my impression is that the majority of vapers (or the majority of vapers who post on the internet , if different ) don't find nicotine highly addictive. This would explain why research suggests that it isn't highly addictive.

Sorry , I didn't imagine that statement might be controversial.

It's not 'controversial' ... but it's certainly not a fact.

....and my 'impression' is that the vast majority of addicts lie about their addiction when asked ... and lie to themselves about it, so I'm not sure how valid your conclusion is.

I would suggest that the majority of vapers are addicted to nicotine and that is ultimately why they vape... as a safer way to get that nicotine.
 
would suggest that the majority of vapers are addicted to nicotine and that is ultimately why they vape... as a safer way to get that nicotine.

I don't disagree with that. Exact same observations woukd equally apply to myself. But that's putting the cart before the horse, in an unknown number of cases.

I've demonstrated to myself, on a number of occasions, that my own nicotine addiction isn't hard to overcome, which is what that statement "not highly addictive" means, is it not?

I've also firmly concluded that my brain functions much more efficiently, and I cope with everyday tasks much bette ,(just for starters) when I have ny nicotine habit than when I don't. So I'm no longer interested in overcoming it, just in getting it more cheaply (and the health benefits of vaping over smoking are a bonus!) What interests me, when I read new research, and when I talk with other smokers and vapers, is the observation that my experience (in finding nicotine therapeutic) is far from unusual.

That being so, the addiction , such as it is, would be an effect of long-tern nicotine use, not a cause.

I'm not saying that applies to everybody, but to a significan proportion of people, especially now that that so many of the people who actually wanted to give up nicotine have done so.
 
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