Addiction...

[Mitz]

I don't disagree with that. Exact same observations woukd equally apply to myself. But that's putting the cart before the horse, in an unknown number of cases.

I've demonstrated to myself, on a number of occasions, that my own nicotine addiction isn't hard to overcome, which is what that statenent "not highly addictive" means, is it not?

I've also firmly concluded that my brain function much more efficiently, and I cope with everyday tasks much bette ,(just for starters) when I have ny nicotine habit than when I don't. So I'm no longer interested in overcoming it, just in getting it more cheaply (and the health benefits of vaping over smoking are a bonus!) What interests me, when I read new research, and when I talk with other smokers and vapers, is the observation that my experience (in finding nicotine therapeutic) is far from unusual.

That being so, the addicion , such as it is, would be an effect of long-tern nicotine use, not a cause.

I'm not saying that applies to everybody, but to a significan proportion of people, especially now that that so many of the people who actually wanted to give up nicotine have done so.

TDR

Noticed the use of bold tho, for what that's worth!

 

[Leni]

Maybe we can agree that people's experiences can differ dramatically? I know what science is saying, and to be honest it makes little difference to me because I know how nicotine affects my body/well-being.

 

[dansus]

Well, I have major problems with out my vapes. Ask my wife as she has to deal with the brunt of it. And if I had to go without them for any lengthy period of time I'd be down the shop buying a pack of fags. My experience backs this up.

Your addicted to smoking. Vaping with nicotine just helps alleviate the worst of the withdrawal symptoms and allows you to keep the ritual habit of smoking. That's why vaping is an effective tool.

 

[jay2]

TDR

Noticed the use of bold tho, for what that's worth!

Yeah that's something I sometimes do to help the casual reader to pick my main point out of my "walls of text"
I haven't seen you posting any walls of text, yet, so I'm guessing your big red letters serve some other purpose. .

BTW, I've been trying to find out what TDR means, without bugging anybody or taking the thread any further off-topic , Can't find anything more helpful than Two Dudes Riding/ Ticket Deposit Receipt/Time Domain Reflectometer....WTF?

 

[Mitz]

Yeah that's something I sometimes do to help the casual reader to pick my main point out of my "walls of text"
I haven't seen you posting any walls of text, yet, so I'm guessing your big red letters serve some other purpose. .

BTW, I've been trying to find out what TDR means, without bugging anybody or taking the thread any further off-topic , Can't find anything more helpful than Two Dudes Riding/ Ticket Deposit Receipt/Time Domain Reflectometer....WTF?

TDR = Too long, Didn't Read.

Life's too short. Everyone is entitled to their experiences and opinions. Peace.

 

[Soutie]

I think addiction needs to be defined and this misunderstanding is what is causing all the confusion. I don't think nicotine in itself is chemically addictive, it needs help from the alkaloids for that. But that's no to say it can't be psychosomatic, in the same way gambling can be addictive. the thought of taking nicotine might manifest in a physical way. Couple this with the fact that we have been told by media and medicine for years how addictive it is, it is very plausible.

 

[Mitz]

Your addicted to smoking. Vaping with nicotine just helps alleviate the worst of the withdrawal symptoms and allows you to keep the ritual habit of smoking. That's why vaping is an effective tool.

Never an untruer word spoken! Because vaping zero nic does absolutely nothing for me and my moods reflects that! My moods are affected by the nicotine content pure and simple and has absolutely nothing to do with the "ritual" of smoking. Vaping is only effective when the juice has nic in it! Otherwise why vape nic at all? Just give people trying to quit fags a vape kit and 0% juice. After all it's just the "smoking ritual" right?

NO!

As Leni said, let's agree to disagree. We're all individual and our experiences reflect that. I don't know your body and mind and you don't know mine.

 

[zouzounaki]

I think addiction is a complicated thing, much more so than to think that you can rate addictiveness on a scale and compare things in that way.

It's easy for a smoker who wants to give up and finds it verging on impossible, or for a smoker who doesn't want to give up, but feels pressured to, to compare their addiction to heroin, and say that they've read nicotine is as addictive as heroin. But there are a number of very important things to think about here. The social factors are massively different. The (relative) social acceptability of cigarette smoking/nicotine consumption as compared to illicit heroin use, in itself make the comparison pointless.

 

[Mitz]

Having kicked both habits I can compare them any way I like.

 

[zouzounaki]

Of course you can compare them any way you like, but that doesn't make the comparison in any way meaningful.