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Mawsley

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The direction of travel is clear.

The Netherlands has announced a ban on flavours from July. Iceland has that already, and Finland is moving to implement plain packaging for vape products - including plain bottles, plain labels, and clear liquid!

The SCHEER report was absolute gash and will be used to justify a swathe of bans in the new Tobacco Products Directive.

Meanwhile, besides a handful of vapers running consumer organisations, everyone has sat back and done nothing.

Scotland and Wales are run by politicians sympathetic with Europe's approach - as is ASH Scotland. ASH UK is campaigning for a flavour restriction and plain packaging. Bloomberg's minions continue to spread lies and half-truths in the UK.

So, my question is this, have you written to your MP to tell them how vaping worked for you? If not, what (if anything) would convince you to do something to protect what we have?

It seems like vapers simply don't give a shit.
 
Yet MORE Apathy from those who'll soon be ranting all over facebook and similar platforms. Makes me sick, it really does!!:12:
 
So, my question is this, have you written to your MP to tell them how vaping worked for you? If not, what (if anything) would convince you to do something to protect what we have?
I'v filled in the most recent EU consultation, for whatever good that will do. As for contacting my MP, I haven't (yet), she's a effing bitch anyway, and would probably send the police round.

Harking back to 2013- through to tpd introduction, I wrote to my MP, also the labour prospective parliamentary candidate, my MEP, plus other EU boffins and bureaucrats , I received no acknowledgements and not a single reply. I even took to mini trolling and leaving comments on youtube and the like, not a fcuking thing.

Go in a vape shop and start talking about tpd2, excise duties and bans, and see what the staff say, nothing at all, not even in Evapo, and they have spare staff standing around, ffs.

It seems like vapers simply don't give a shit.

Some of us do, many don't or they start going on about "Being ready", we can diy, I've got loads of gear, it'll be fine. That's not the fookin' point :angrymob:

Read the SCHEER shit, and learn something:

The share of respondents in favour of banning flavours in e-cigarettes has increased by seven percentage points since this question was last asked in the 2017 Eurobarometer. Interestingly, the older the respondents, the more likely they are to be in favour of banning flavours in e-cigarettes (41% of those aged 15-24, compared with 49% of those aged 55 or more) maybe because these groups are interested in using flavoured electronic cigarettes. Another option might be the regulate flavours that are specifically attractive to young people.

Nicotine-containing e-liquids have a stimulating effect on the reward system within the brain, which is implicated in the development of addiction (in Krüsemann et al., 2018)). Whereas flavours are added to increase product liking, addictive substances such as nicotine play a role in motivation and influence the reward system through mechanisms of learning and wanting (in Krüsemann et al., 2018). Specific to youth, nicotine addiction and dependence leading to lifelong tobacco use is a major concern when considering electronic cigarette use (Walley et al., 2019). Nicotine addiction is an adaption to nicotine exposure over time, and thus the high concentrations of nicotine in electronic cigarettes are of major concern.

With adult and adolescent smoking rates decreasing due to tobacco control efforts, there remains concern if the expansion of electronic cigarettes may hinder tobacco control efforts and impact smoking rates as adolescents and young adults who were likely to never use any form of nicotine products start experimenting with electronic cigarettes and other forms of nicotine delivery.

There is a lack of robust longitudinal data on the effect of electronic cigarettes on smoking cessation. Until such research is available, electronic cigarettes should only be considered to support smoking cessation for a limited time and under supervision.

https://ec.europa.eu/health/sites/default/files/scientific_committees/scheer/docs/scheer_o_017.pdf

Take note of @jessica's and @dnglos's regular updates in the vapers.org.uk - Nothing About Us. Without Us thread. Comment, say thanks or like their posts, they've been posting in that thread since the 9th January 2015.

Not forgetting

https://vapers.org.uk/

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Niyi Osundare wrote “Not My Business” in accusation of the murderous dictatorship of General Sanni Abacha who ruled Nigeria from 1993 to 1998. It is one of his most famous poems and it is a compulsory study in the AQA syllabus for GCSE English Literature.

They picked Akanni up one morning
Beat him soft like clay
And stuffed him down the belly
Of a waiting jeep.

What business of mine is it
So long they don’t take the yam
From my savouring mouth?

They came one night
Booted the whole house awake
And dragged Danladi out,
Then off to a lengthy absence.

What business of mine is it
So long they don’t take the yam
From my savouring mouth?

Chinwe went to work one day
Only to find her job was gone:
No query, no warning, no probe -
Just one neat sack for a stainless record.

What business of mine is it
So long they don’t take the yam
From my savouring mouth?

And then one evening
As I sat down to eat my yam
A knock on the door froze my hungry hand.

The jeep was waiting on my bewildered lawn
Waiting, waiting in its usual silence.

:rant:
 
The direction of travel is clear.

The Netherlands has announced a ban on flavours from July. Iceland has that already, and Finland is moving to implement plain packaging for vape products - including plain bottles, plain labels, and clear liquid!

The SCHEER report was absolute gash and will be used to justify a swathe of bans in the new Tobacco Products Directive.

Meanwhile, besides a handful of vapers running consumer organisations, everyone has sat back and done nothing.

Scotland and Wales are run by politicians sympathetic with Europe's approach - as is ASH Scotland. ASH UK is campaigning for a flavour restriction and plain packaging. Bloomberg's minions continue to spread lies and half-truths in the UK.

So, my question is this, have you written to your MP to tell them how vaping worked for you? If not, what (if anything) would convince you to do something to protect what we have?

It seems like vapers simply don't give a shit.
Call me a cynic if you like Dave but, after watching the determined joint efforts of the combination of BT, BP and the 'Political' class in the US, implementing what is effectively a ban of a relatively innocuous smoking cessation aid, I have little faith that vapers here will be any less apathetic than those we have witnessed who have, almost to a wo/man, sat on their collective arses and watched the disassembly of the industry in the US (with the notable exception of the 'unflavoured' closed pod systems produced by BT).
Banned in India, The Philippines, restricted in Aus (who would ever have thought the Aussies would succumb with barely a whimper), proposed restriction in the Euro zone as per your post, proposals in Eire for restricting flavours, restrictions on the horizon in Canada etc, etc, etc, the writing is very clearly on the wall. Mainstream society won't protect our industry because they have already been primed by the fallacious "....vaping is as bad as smoking..." propaganda and, like it or not, many of us have no faith in the generality of vapers to step up to the plate and help defend our industry. I have posted in many places, inc many of the reviewers' channels, re the dangers faced and where this logically ends up (flavour/nicotine bans); I have been rewarded by the sound of passing tumble weed or, worse, been chastised for being a 'moaning Minnie' and that "...this is no US and we won't let that happen..."! Really? With the aforementioned in mind I have accrued 500+ flavourings, 10 litres of PG, 4 gallons of VG and 5+ litres of nic, and will continue to hoard as much as I am able to in the year or two we have left, before the Ban-wagon rolls up here in Scotland (I know for a fact that the Scottish Govt is anything but pro vaping). In fact, I am almost at the point where what I have, will almost certainly outlast me, but my three sons and one daughter all vape so I have them to think about. I will continue to advocate to my fellow vapers re writing to Political reps etc, but with little hope that the apathy will be any less prevalent here than it so obviously is, in most other places. We face a determined enemy who seek the utter destruction of our industry, an enemy who are supported by both the politicians and the mainstream media, a combination which has seen the destruction of vaping in supposedly the home of freedom and democracy, this in the face of overwhelming evidence of its safety and efficacy in saving people from the destructive harms of smoking. Whilst I wholeheartedly support you in your unstinting efforts, I also recognise the apathy of the average (non-hobbyist) vaper, so am myself preparing for what I feel is inevitable.
 
With the aforementioned in mind I have accrued 500+ flavourings, 10 litres of PG, 4 gallons of VG and 5+ litres of nic

Wtf, you're worse than me, I haven't accrued because of an impending ban, I've accrued because of price hikes and shortages, and because I'm obsessive, besides I vape up to 60ml a day, it don't last long.

5 litres of nic, wtaf :hmm:


I also recognise the apathy of the average (non-hobbyist) vaper, so am myself preparing for what I feel is inevitable.

Non hobbyist is more than likely high street purchasers, most are not apathetic, they just don't know the score. High street vendors, esp. the larger chains don't even like discussing the subject, or customers chatting about it.
 
5 litres of nic, wtaf
Two of my young 'uns are 3/6mg DTL'ers, the other two plus my younger bro are 12mg MTL'ers + my missus and myself. Told the kids their inheritance has gone, but at least they will remember me for the vape gear I will leave them:18:

Non hobbyist is more than likely high street purchasers, most are not apathetic, they just don't know the score
Yep, point taken, and I stand corrected @andi52. Doesn't change my point that, with the exception of hobbyists, there is no cavalry coming. However cynical my POV is, I still do as much advocacy/letter writing as I can, but with no faith that it will make that much difference.
 
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