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[RAPTOREX]

I think they were treated much better as time went on, favoured with better housing and stuff. There were a lot of soviet scientists let out of gulags to work on the programme too, I believe. Still didn't have much choice though.

That may have been generally true. But it was never so at the V1 and 2 production facilities. It's been decades since I looked into it. But have a search for the deaths in Von Braun's facilities. Or those killed moving V2 production underground. He was a homicidal monster, of epic proportion. And he was carried away, In first class, by the US military.

I do agree he had no choice. My contention is his only choices should have been. firing squad or hanging.

mind you. Our world would just be getting 90s tech now. If it weren't for his Saturn V and the stuff that needed invented to make it work.
On reflection. We may well have benefited from the delay

 

[Gert Meyers]

Its ironic to think that, in the European theatre during WW2, the top US infantry unit was an all Japanese company. With more medals and commendations, per man, than any other unit) And the only air cover US pilots wanted was the all black Redtails.

and cowardly draft dodgers, like Trump, claim to be patriots.

Do you have a citation for that? Jap. Americans were interned during WWII:

https://www.history.com/topics/worl...ere established,be interred in isolated camps.

Other famous draft dodgers: Bush Jr, and John Bolton (the Supreme Hawk!)

 

[Badboybez]

The US CAPTURED von Braun and many other German rocket scientists. NO case of 'winning them over' . von Braun was a card carrying Nazi, even though he tried to deny it. See 'Operation Paperclip'.

It's the US's MO: lie and cheat about just about everything.

Interesting the way you have put it.
Technically it could be said that he was captured, but he was simply trying to travel home at the time he was "detained" by US forces.
You are correct that he then spent time in a prison camp in the the US, but it has been documented that after an unusually short period of time (enough to provide the US with the information they required) he "mysteriously" managed to escape from the POW camp.

As to your comment of "winning them over" it's a fairly simple analogy. if you were in the same situation, what would you choose.
A- The Russians who are furious that they have had hundreds of thousands of troops, and civilians killed, and are rightly pissed off.
B- The British who are also rather pissed off that they have lost many troops, and civilians, with the British government trying to stop the carnage in the first place by attempting to protect Poland, and are already organising war trials.
C- The USA who have suffered lighter deaths, and are keen for the rocket technology, also probably the nuclear technology, as findings since the end of WW2 indicate that although the US had dropped Atomic weapons on Japan, the technology the Germans were developing was superior. Probably how nuclear cruise missiles emerged.

Answer A, B, or C, to Box #69 Behind The Water Pipes at Waterloo Station.

Interesting really that the USA now has the most advanced nuclear cruise missile's in the world, that can threaten the whole world if the US President wished to do so.
Is that not what Hitlers ambition was..........................

 

[Badboybez]

I think most of the German scientists in the USSR were originally captured, and had little choice in the matter.

Very true, and Russian, also Bulgarian prisons are not the nicest in the world.

 

[Badboybez]

He was a homicidal monster, of epic proportion. And he was carried away, In first class, by the US military.

Quite agreed.

I do agree he had no choice. My contention is his only choices should have been. firing squad or hanging.

Very true, but it is the same choice as I have intimated, he was detained trying to journey home by the Americans, that was lucky for him, as the Americans would have sentenced him to death by firing squad. If on the other hand he was detained by the British he would have face a lengthy trial, and been hanged. As for if the Russians detained him, I doubt anyone would have found out that they had detained him............................

mind you. Our world would just be getting 90s tech now. If it weren't for his Saturn V and the stuff that needed invented to make it work.On reflection. We may well have benefited from the delay

I have mixed feelings on that.
Most of the "real tech" that we benefit from has come from China, and the other far Eastern countries.
Whilst working as a global service engineer I had several jobs in Poland which gave me the opportunity to visit Auschwitz, Birkenau, and Gross-Rosen.
Obviously Auschwitz, and Birkenau were horrendous places, especially as my visits were on an overcast day, with drizzleing rain, you could imagine the horror of being there knowing that the rest of your family (wife children etc) were dead, but it still supplied slave labour to nearby Nazi needs.
Gross-Rosen on the other hand was a dedicated slave labour camp supplying labour to many now large companies that had workshops on the camp.
I cant remember the names of all the companies with workshops there apart from Siemens,
would anyone buy a domestic appliance from them now, such as a washing machine knowing the company had used slave labour in the war, if they knew the history of the company.
If you were deemed not able to be of use in the workshops you had to work in the quarry next door, I won't go into all the details, but the average life expectancy of the workers there was 3 months.

 

[Badboybez]

Its ironic to think that, in the European theatre during WW2, the top US infantry unit was an all Japanese company. With more medals and commendations, per man, than any other unit) And the only air cover US pilots wanted was the all black Redtails.

Things like this tend to be "kicked under the table"
In the UK, how about the Gurkha's that were renowned for being the bravest of our military.
Yet a few years ago there was an attempt from the government to stop their citizenship rights to the UK (I think, not 100% sure) and pension rights.

For anyone that has never heard about the Gurkha's here are some notes from the Official Association of Britain’s Brigade of Gurkhas

In the Second World War there were no fewer than 40 Gurkha Battalions in British Service, as well as parachute, garrison and training units. In all this total sum amounted to 112,000 men. Side by side with British and Commonwealth troops Gurkhas fought in Syria, the Western Desert, Italy and Greece, from North Malaya to Singapore and from the Siamese Border back through Burma to Imphal and then forward to Rangoon. In addition to the enormous manpower made available there were many personal gestures on the part of the Minister and Court of Nepal. Large sums of money for the purchase of weapons and equipment, including many for the provision of fighter aircraft during the Baffle of Britain, were presented as gifts from Nepal. Considerable sums of money were also donated to the Lord Mayor of London during the Blitz for the relief of victims in the Dockland area.

 

[Gert Meyers]

As to your comment of "winning them over" it's a fairly simple analogy. if you were in the same situation, what would you choose.

The point remains that these Nazis all of a sudden weren't 'so Nazi anymore', when they proved useful.

The US has (once again) form in that department, see also their support for Apartheid, various Far Right Latin American tinpot dictators and violent regime changes (like Iran 1953, and of course Iraq):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_CIA_controversies

Mordor's pretend love of 'freedom and democracy' is just that: a ruse, used to achieve hegemony. US's 'management' is rotten to the core and needs to be opposed at every opportunity. Sadly the w*nkers that run this country prefer to be *rse-f*cked by the US, see also the Harry Dunn and Julian Assange affairs!

Wherever Mordor tramples, DEATH and DESTRUCTION follow on an appealingly grand scale. It's the biggest purveyor of state sponsored TERRORISM in the history of the human world.

 

[Crewella]

Worth remembering that immediately after the war decisions in Germany (including those on suspected war criminals) were made jointly under the Allied Control Council. It wasn't until late 1946 that any of the four Allied powers were able to make their own decisions. Up until then ........... all are equally cuplable for any decisions made?

 

[RAPTOREX]

Things like this tend to be "kicked under the table"
In the UK, how about the Gurkha's that were renowned for being the bravest of our military.
Yet a few years ago there was an attempt from the government to stop their citizenship rights to the UK (I think, not 100% sure) and pension rights.

For anyone that has never heard about the Gurkha's here are some notes from the Official Association of Britain’s Brigade of Gurkhas

In the Second World War there were no fewer than 40 Gurkha Battalions in British Service, as well as parachute, garrison and training units. In all this total sum amounted to 112,000 men. Side by side with British and Commonwealth troops Gurkhas fought in Syria, the Western Desert, Italy and Greece, from North Malaya to Singapore and from the Siamese Border back through Burma to Imphal and then forward to Rangoon. In addition to the enormous manpower made available there were many personal gestures on the part of the Minister and Court of Nepal. Large sums of money for the purchase of weapons and equipment, including many for the provision of fighter aircraft during the Baffle of Britain, were presented as gifts from Nepal. Considerable sums of money were also donated to the Lord Mayor of London during the Blitz for the relief of victims in the Dockland area.

Indeed so. The list is long. The Polish pilots who were the most successful of the few. It's only in the last 10 years, or so, their story has been told. And the Punjabi regiments full of ferocious and loyal fighting men, ignored.

 

[BigCloud]

Very true, and Russian, also Bulgarian prisons are not the nicest in the world.

documentary on the Black Dolphin Prison in Russia its a hellhole for sure