Ceramic Coils Help Please?

[eyeball kid]

My last post wasn't 100% accurate as there is one exception. I very occasionally use the Voopoo 1.2 ceramic coil at very low mtl wattage. But not before I had dismantled a few to satisfy myself that they were solid and not shedding ceramic dust. I would never continue to use one if I dropped it and I never clean and reuse them.

I agree. Can't beat cotton for flavour.

I have no dog in this fight either. When combined with say the voopoo or vaporesso board's in mod or pod form I'm happy to crack on.
the dice have already been thrown just vaping. When smoking I knew the game was already loaded and as far as I can reasonably assess I'm minimising my health risk by vaping over smoking and try to keep informed of new developments but that's as much as we can do really. Ideally I'd not vape but I'm locked in a house watching bloody Grey's anatomy. Without this nanabhozo there could be bloodshed.

 

[Deleted member 55948]

I think the key is when they're used in conjunction with a mod with the right tech then the risk is minimal at most but the issue is if you pick up some ccell style coils and use them on a mod that just delivers pure power then there's definitely a chance of the ceramic breaking down and then the dust is available for inhalation.

Advice when cleaning microporous coils
The procedure that consists, for the cleaning, in bathing the coil with water and operating dry burns, as demonstrated on some youtube videos is risky. The pressure created by the vapor when the water is heated is susceptible to fragilize the porous structure. Fast heating is even worse in this case since vapor is produced in high quantity and cannot escape from the porous structure. The pressure it exerts on the structure exceeds the physical constraints for which the material has been certified.

 

[eyeball kid]

Advice when cleaning microporous coils
The procedure that consists, for the cleaning, in bathing the coil with water and operating dry burns, as demonstrated on some youtube videos is risky. The pressure created by the vapor when the water is heated is susceptible to fragilize the porous structure. Fast heating is even worse in this case since vapor is produced in high quantity and cannot escape from the porous structure. The pressure it exerts on the structure exceeds the physical constraints for which the material has been certified.

As I say fella.
you make your own choices. Full independent testing would be useful and I'm sure as ceramic is coming back (it pretty much vanished from mainstream vaping for a couple of years) we will see some.
More worrying is the amounts of untested bathtub shortfill liquids that fwull most vape shops circumventing the tpd laws that's become the norm.
One clusterfook at a time.

 

[Deleted member 58360]

This is what kickstarted it all, leaving a very bad taste in our mouths and there is a correlation with ceramic water filters which suffers by the same disputes long prior to this.

No, there really is no correlation with water filters at all.

You keeping on with it just shows there's no discussion to be had with you.

I'm out of this.

 

[Deleted member 55948]

No, there really is no correlation with water filters at all.

You keeping on with it just shows there's no discussion to be had with you.

I'm out of this.

The concern is these might leach phthalates, chemicals that can disrupt our hormonal systems. ‘Our treatment systems are set up to remove very small particles from water, but we do recognise that [microplastics] is perhaps an area where there isn’t that much evidence or research, so we are commissioning some due to public concern,’ says Sue Pennison.

Wnen a porous Ceramic candle water filter is new can have a chalky dust external surface.There were concerns decades ago now whether any of this leached through the filter and digested. They are often removed for cleaning and care needs to be exorcised not to damage the surfaces etc.

Sounds pretty similar to me - ceramics and leached particulates.

 

[Deleted member 58360]

Sounds pretty similar to me - ceramics and leached particulates.

Not in the slightest.

It's not about leached particles, it's about the friable nature of heated and/or shocked ceramic releasing micro particles that are inhaled.

For many many years, silica (and kiln dried) sand was used in commercial media blasting and was believed to be perfectly safe - this is now an illegal practice because the micro particles shredded worker's lungs and/or led to silicosis.

For even longer, asbestos was used in building and other industrial settings as well as car parts. We all know where that went... It's commonly said that it's only really a risk if large quantities are inhaled over a period of time, yet if a small amount is disturbed during the course of works it requires specialist disposal.

While asbestos is hazardous if inhaled or ingested, silica (a constituent of many ceramics) isn't considered dangerous to ingest (swallow) because it can be passed, but it is too heavy to be evacuated from the lungs. This is why tests have shown that it's acceptable to use in water filtration systems.

 

[Deleted member 58360]

Oh, and the thing about microplastics is unrelated - that'll be chemicals leached from plastic particles that become trapped in the ceramic matrix. They are not a product of the ceramic itself.

You've clearly done a bit of research and reading - now all you need to add is some analysis and understanding.

 

[Deleted member 55948]

Oh, and the thing about microplastics is unrelated - that'll be chemicals leached from plastic particles that become trapped in the ceramic matrix. They are not a product of the ceramic itself.

You've clearly done a bit of research and reading - now all you need to add is some analysis and understanding.

Am gonna give the Vaporesso VM25 with 0.5ohm Ceramic ordered additionally for TC, a go

I guess it’s all about do’s n dont’s for me now.

If it’s no good for me too then I’ll have the traditional coils to fall back on and I hear they’ll continue to improve upon.

It will be interesting to see what disclaimers and warnings are included in the packaging.

Stay posted

 

[Deleted member 55948]

Not in the slightest.

It's not about leached particles, it's about the friable nature of heated and/or shocked ceramic releasing micro particles that are inhaled.

For many many years, silica (and kiln dried) sand was used in commercial media blasting and was believed to be perfectly safe - this is now an illegal practice because the micro particles shredded worker's lungs and/or led to silicosis.

For even longer, asbestos was used in building and other industrial settings as well as car parts. We all know where that went... It's commonly said that it's only really a risk if large quantities are inhaled over a period of time, yet if a small amount is disturbed during the course of works it requires specialist disposal.

While asbestos is hazardous if inhaled or ingested, silica (a constituent of many ceramics) isn't considered dangerous to ingest (swallow) because it can be passed, but it is too heavy to be evacuated from the lungs. This is why tests have shown that it's acceptable to use in water filtration systems.

http://www.tasteyourjuice.com/wordpress/archives/9989
http://www.tasteyourjuice.com/wordpress/archives/9989

 

[Deleted member 58360]

Yeah, the manufacturer said that the material has been approved as safe for use.

It may very well have been approved as safe for certain uses, but...

This is a blatant lie as far as use for vaping is concerned - I'm not aware of one single product or material that has ever been approved as safe for vaping*.

The list of materials that have approval for a multitude of uses but HAVE NOT been approved as safe for vaping includes:
Cotton
Kanthal
Stainless steel
Nickel
Vegetable glycerin
Propylene glycol
Nicotine
All flavouring compounds
Glass
Plastic (of any type)

The MSDS mentioned - would that be the fake certificate that is purported to come from a testing lab in France but where they can't quite spell the name of the lab and where the actual lab has denied ever producing said certificate?

Vaping itself has not been shown to be safe - the very best that has been said is that the culmination of many reputable studies has shown that it's probably less harmful than smoking.


Cyanide has been approved as safe for use in certain cleaning processes while following certain protocols - doesn't mean it's been approved as safe for putting in your tea.



*One manufacturer has approved and certified their li-ion cells as safe for use under the load conditions presented by powering a vaping device. This has no bearing of the safety of the act of vaping itself. It also does not represent approval granted by any governing bodies.