Do we need to accept that we will have to "pay" for Ejuice?

[whipitup]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP1YA8zaQ80&feature=youtu.be&a

Interesting stuff, govs will not have enough money if Ecigs are allowed to continue as they are, so...........

1. They ban vaping.
2. We accept that Ejuice will be taxed to replace lost tobacco tax?

I dont like the idea, just being realistic.

 

[AndyC1971]

Roger, I think we have to face up to the fact that this will happen

We all know this is nothing to do with being untested or the gateway argument or any other argument. This is to do with hard cash and lost revenue.

It will only be a matter of a few years till you will walk into the newsagents, and ask for nicotine, and they will ask you if you want a packet or a bottle!

Also I give it a year after regulation, when the government or MHRA will start singing from the rooftops that they have found this miracle alternative to smoking, and it will be called something completely different to vaping, but the practice and method will be the same

 

[whipitup]

I just wish government would stop pretending they actually care about us.

The reality is they want to tax us as much as they can while we are alive and hope we die before we draw to much of out hard earned pension.

I hate the fact that they pretend that they want us to stop smoking, they tell us we should stop by using NRT, they know it doesnt work and we will be back on the fags in no time. But why should they care?.....id we smoke we pay "sin" tax, is we use NRT they get tax via that.

If they were just honest (for once) I really think I could deal with it.

 

[Vern]

thank you for this though provoking video. And you put your points across very calmly. I could listen to you again.
We know the sin taxes increase most years, so the first clue will be when the tax on tobacco rises out of proportion compared to previous rises.
Its the junkies panic reaction....not making enough from tobacco tax? raise the tax.

 

[Diablo]

I for one feel lucky that I quit smoking and switched to vaping when I did. I genuinely don't NEED to vape in the same way I needed to smoke. It's been about 2 hours since I hit the hammer. In a government own goal I think the only thing that will happen with me when the uk screw us over is that I will quit vaping. As a smoker, I couldnt go ten minutes without a cig. Big change huh. That lack of dependency only cemented itself AFTER it became obvious that the uk were just out to batter people who had stepped away from the governments cash cow friends in big tobacco.

so for me, that's even more money that won't be spent. No vape gear, no fluids, no equipment, no batteries. Frankly, in my case, I would come out way in front financially.

 

[AndyC1971]

I just wish government would stop pretending they actually care about us.

The reality is they want to tax us as much as they can while we are alive and hope we die before we draw to much of out hard earned pension.

I hate the fact that they pretend that they want us to stop smoking, they tell us we should stop by using NRT, they know it doesnt work and we will be back on the fags in no time. But why should they care?.....id we smoke we pay "sin" tax, is we use NRT they get tax via that.

If they were just honest (for once) I really think I could deal with it.

I agree 100%, but remember fella, we are just a number, a statistic and any way they can get further revenue from us they will. Running countries is a big business and can be rather profitable.

Trust me, when its taxed to the hilt and the dust has settled, they will come at us like they are messiahs!

 

[whit77]

dunno bought my baccy dirt cheap and weed dirt cheap, well both value for money

 

[SuperChris]

Now, this is directly quoted from the ASH website about the economic cost of smoking. It is slightly unreliable and biased BUT gives a good idea of some of the economic arguments for giving up smoking (even if they do, in my opinion, wildly overestimate the cost of smoking breaks and absenteeism).

Cost to society
Research commissioned by ASH in 2010 has shown that the cost to the NHS of treating
diseases caused by smoking is approximately £2.7 billion a year.
Another study put the
estimated cost as high as £5.2 billion.
A report by the Policy Exchange in 2010 estimated the
total cost to society of smoking to be £13.74 billion. This includes the £2.7bn cost to the NHS
but also the loss in productivity from smoking breaks (£2.9bn) and increased absenteeism
(£2.5bn). Other costs include: cleaning up cigarette butts (£342 million), the cost of fires
(£507m), the loss of economic output from the death of smokers (£4.1bn) and passive smokers
(£713m).


However, it is also estimated that about £380 million a year is being saved by the
NHS as a result of public health strategies such as the ban on tobacco advertising and the
creation of the stop smoking services which have resulted in fewer people smoking.6

In the 2011-12 financial year the Government spent £88.2 million on the stop smoking services
in England plus an additional £66.4m on medicinal aids (eg nicotine replacement therapy).
Expenditure on mass media health campaigns on smoking in 2010-11 was £460,000.

 

[Colonelboom]

It is inevitable that we are going to get taxed somehow, how much for though is unsure and we all hope that it won't be anything close to the level of harmful tobacco as the negatives are simply not there to need to re-coup the cash through tax. I think we are forgetting the revenue stream the governments and NHS trusts get from the pharma side of things though with freebie equipment and medical supplies for buying and recommending BrandX instead of an incumbent supplier and the licensing funds made through MHRA to do all of this too.

Yes the cost of smoking may cost umpteen billion per year but I would sincerely doubt that the ACTUAL cost is anything close to that once these (IMO corrupt and opaque) revenue streams are considered, the whole medical system seems to be driven by backroom monetary deals and less about health the more I read about it.

 

[bbav]

This makes very interesting reading http://www.forces.org/evidence/pharma/pdf/fullwork.pdf