E Cig Legislation - Chris Davies Email - Clearing the confusion

[Szaxe]

Don't be lulled into a false sense of security, WE HAVE BEEN SCREWED BIG TIME. Best way to divide and conquer is first give a carrot to some of the community, then fcuk those left who thought they would not be effected ............

Once they have control of the nicotine strengh, forget vaping, FULL STOP!!!!!

 

[Abyss]

Is their any information yet on tax?

 

[Abyss]

E-cig manufacturers will have to let governments know within six months what ingredients are in their liquids. They will have to include leaflets and labels including health warnings that nicotine is bad for you and that e-cigs aren’t for the use of non smokers.

Will this be six months from tomorrow if it is passed?

 

[Szaxe]

Will this be six months from tomorrow if it is passed?

Note Chris Davies didn't say we have dropped from 30-20 mg but that we had won because we are getting more than 3 mg .... Is that the eventual target ???????

A pure guess, but my money is that initially we will be able to get 20 mg sealed units, all the higher rate nic users, mixers, present mod makers and vendors will be gone.

When they drop to 3mg on those who are accepting or happy today, don't expect help from vendors or a strong community. the ones with the funds or the muscle won't be around to help you !!!!

 

[Scoff]

Nicotine is toxic in high quantities and is particularly toxic to children. This is a safety measure as not all people will be as responsible as I am sure you are.

I aint got any kids so why do I have to buy tiny bottles?

And I thought new scientific studies had proved that nicotine isn't as dangerous as first thought and you could drink about a pint of it and still be around to tell the story.

 

[Purplefowler]

This is such a double edged sword. It does mean that the average vaper won't be affected much. The majority of vapers will be able to carry on with their starter kit style refillable gear and probably won't notice much difference. It's us hardcore hobby vapers that have been hit. I'm a DIYer. I keep my nicotine in a high up cupboard, well out of reach of my kids. I only mix up 10ml at a time and I only vape at 6mg, so well under the restrictions, yet I'll be screwed over and will have to use ready mixed at a greater expense. I'm not happy, to say the least. Looks like I'm going to have to invest in a mini freezer and stock up
on a different note, Szaxe - lovely to see you, hope you are well

 

[Duffloop]

What an Ego Farage has got:

 

[steffijade]

@Szaxe - lovely to see you, hope you are well

+1

 

[Chez]

Then surely the best way to 'regulate' ecigs from a medicinal point of view is if an ecig company wishes to make a medicinal claim about THEIR particular product, then they can apply for a medicinal license to the MHRA, while other ecig companies can keep selling as recreational products? This would leave ecigs on the market for those of us who just want a clean method of getting our daily nicotine, while those looking at an option of stop smoking aids can bee offered the ecig as NRT via a prescription, meaning less cost to them and then they can always move on to better mods in the future?

There is no way as a vaper I am willing to accept control of my choice by the MHRA. If they want to allow companies to make a medicinal claim and issue a license for ecigs to ALSO be offered as NTR then no problems with that but leave MY choice out of it, make it the choice of the smoker looking at the different NRT options, which to me are very outdated, to decide.

 

[Chez]

So is paracetamol, in fact you would not believe how many EU citizens have died from just accidental paracetamol ODs. Then there is the deliberate ones made by suicidal teens with no knowledge of how drug work, that land up in hospital beds, bright yellow, dying slowly over about two weeks from liver failure, which is one of the most agonizing deaths imaginable. Even if it was just a cry for help. Yet you can buy this highly toxic drug from as little 16p, go to another pharmacy and buy another, then go to another and buy another, proving sale limits do jack squat also. Every parent who has a paracetamol product in their home has something in their home capable of killing their children. Where is the EU ban squad on this?

Also, I am an ex codeine addict, but I didn't get addicted to street drugs, I got addicted to Big Pharma's Nurofen Plus and Solpadine. I am now on subutex to stabilize and so I do not die from the added ibuprofen and paracetamol in the OTC pills I was using to feed my codeine addiction. Vaping is also helping me stay on the program, because I vape in the place where I would usually take a tablet. Subutex is one dose in the morning and that's it, so vaping is the much safer vice that carries me through the day. I have also stopped smoking roll ups since I started vaping and my asthma is no longer putting me in hospital on nebulizers. I only smoked baccy for a few months, but I now vape instead and I actually enjoy it. I hated roll ups but didn't want to do without my nicotine, so vaping was the best option for me. Patches irritated my eczema prone skin, the nasty inhalator has to be shoved at your gums because it wasn't absorbed through the lungs, and the gum made me almost puke, so vaping all the way for me, and I will blow my non toxic vape into the faces of every MEP who opposes MY free choice

In the mean time I wouldn't mind the EU taking a look into this OTC codeine issue, and the paracetamol deaths issue, and I would welcome tough restrictions on the sales of both these meds, one is highly addictive, the other can kill very easily and even accidentally. Paracetamol can kill through a 'drawn out' OD too, where the patient ODs by taking even slightly too much daily, and it builds up and kills them.

I am lucky my OTC codeine issue didn't kill me due to the high doses of ibuprofen I was taking daily. Even ibuprofen can kill, it destroys your renal system (kidneys for non medically aware noobs).

EU please help stop the rising tide of codeine addiction in many of your countries, and leave my non killer ecigs out of it!!!!!

A box of paracetamol in the hands of a minor is a million times more dangerous than an ecig or ejuice with a childproof cap.