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E-cigarettes could become 'medicines' available on NHS
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Ninjaassasin1983
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this is underhanded crap its another nail in the coffin for vapers if this hapens
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Said it before and I'll say it again ... I reckon we'll end up with a 2 tier system of vaping.
1 will be medically approved, probably similar to first generation lookalikeys in operation, with low nicotine and no flavourings.
The other tier will be what we have now, but heavily taxed and this second tier will probably have to be fought over in court for long enough that the anti smoking lobby and big pharma will have time to try and ram it down the public's throats that only the medically approved versions are 'safe'. They never like to stray too far from their 'quit or die' mantra and their quit attempt/ultimate 'relapse'/vilification, demonisation, emotional blackmail into another quit attempt, money making roundabout.
The medical versions however, may well prove to be as ineffective as 'traditional' NRT due to the limitations.
1 will be medically approved, probably similar to first generation lookalikeys in operation, with low nicotine and no flavourings.
The other tier will be what we have now, but heavily taxed and this second tier will probably have to be fought over in court for long enough that the anti smoking lobby and big pharma will have time to try and ram it down the public's throats that only the medically approved versions are 'safe'. They never like to stray too far from their 'quit or die' mantra and their quit attempt/ultimate 'relapse'/vilification, demonisation, emotional blackmail into another quit attempt, money making roundabout.
The medical versions however, may well prove to be as ineffective as 'traditional' NRT due to the limitations.
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All that proves to me, is that the e-cigarette does what it says on the box. And they are running scared na terrified at what it's doing to profits.
The only way to get any reasonable control of it, is by the medical route. Hence all the non-sense about health and safety, this e-cig is a medicine so it's safe. They will then come out with the whole truth aimed at the new medicinal type.
But they might just be to late. With the cat already out of the bag, and such a vast uptake in the last year. Including me, and those around me.
If the medical version is as crap as the normal look-a-likes, they will end up like the other NRT rubbish.
The only way to get any reasonable control of it, is by the medical route. Hence all the non-sense about health and safety, this e-cig is a medicine so it's safe. They will then come out with the whole truth aimed at the new medicinal type.
But they might just be to late. With the cat already out of the bag, and such a vast uptake in the last year. Including me, and those around me.
If the medical version is as crap as the normal look-a-likes, they will end up like the other NRT rubbish.
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They can't win. Not without banning nicotine in liquids. They might make it more expensive but only for the liquid. The more they interfere, the further underground they will drive it & then there will be a problem similar to the fight against class-A substances. Shit, they cant even pull their finger out enough to stop damaging legal highs & those things are potentially deadly.
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Yep it will end up as a 2 tier system.
Attempts to medicalise to whole industry have failed in court in at least 4 European courts so far including Germany.
The way I see it going will be a medical segment making medical claims with MHRA licensing and approval and a consumer segment similar to what we have
now but with stricter controls on liquid strengths, product labelling and device safety.
It will be a rough road for a while and I think we have a good few court cases in front of us before it all settles down though.
Article 18 of the TPD is "not fit for purpose" but I think it will take courts and appeals to sort it out.
Anyone who`s not read Clive Bates latest posts needs to go and have a read. Article 18 as related to Vaping is so full of inaccuracies and contradictions that it has become a confused, unworkable and, in my opinion, legally unenforceable train-wreck.
I`ve said it before but ultimately this will not be decided in Parliament it will be decided in court.
Attempts to medicalise to whole industry have failed in court in at least 4 European courts so far including Germany.
The way I see it going will be a medical segment making medical claims with MHRA licensing and approval and a consumer segment similar to what we have
now but with stricter controls on liquid strengths, product labelling and device safety.
It will be a rough road for a while and I think we have a good few court cases in front of us before it all settles down though.
Article 18 of the TPD is "not fit for purpose" but I think it will take courts and appeals to sort it out.
Anyone who`s not read Clive Bates latest posts needs to go and have a read. Article 18 as related to Vaping is so full of inaccuracies and contradictions that it has become a confused, unworkable and, in my opinion, legally unenforceable train-wreck.
I`ve said it before but ultimately this will not be decided in Parliament it will be decided in court.
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Id be happy with a 2 tier system in all honesty. But BAT? NHS? Cause/Solution? Is BAT going to stop selling cigs?
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The other problem with this is that any cigalikes that get a medical license will be allowed to use liquid over the 20mg limit we'll be shafted with, think the Vype already goes up to 45mg. This could potentially make it harder for folks who start on one of these to make the transition down to 2nd / 3rd gen consumer kit.
BAT are going to do their best to keep folks hooked whichever way they can.
BAT are going to do their best to keep folks hooked whichever way they can.
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You only have to look at quickmist ingredients to see how 'safe' works with the MHRA, the problem lies with how WE as a community fight it.
I do think there will be other additives involved with medically licensed 'safe' and if this is the case, then no court in the land could come down on the MHRA side, i mean, 27 ingredients compared to ~4 which is going to be safer?
It won't be a nail in the coffin for us, it may very well be the one tool we need to fight back against Big T and Big P.
I do think there will be other additives involved with medically licensed 'safe' and if this is the case, then no court in the land could come down on the MHRA side, i mean, 27 ingredients compared to ~4 which is going to be safer?
It won't be a nail in the coffin for us, it may very well be the one tool we need to fight back against Big T and Big P.
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