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ECITA BLOG: Impact of the TPD on the market

TPD-in laymans terms

There is a lot of discussion going on currently with regards to what is and isn't going to be banned IF the TPD is passed into law.I don't know about anyone else,but at times hearing all the differing views and opinions can be a bit bewildering,and i'm pretty bewildered at the best of times.
I've just come across this article from ECITA and although it puts the facts from a mainly vendors perspective,it also sets out quite clearly in straightforward language what the consequences would be for the average vaper if the TPD is passed.
Its not particularly cheerful reading,but its well worth a couple of minutes of your time,linky below...

http://www.ecita.org.uk/blog/index.php/what-impact-will-the-tpd-have-on-the-market
 
The big issue will be all about interpretation. I think the blog is emphasising the worst possible interpretation. What is meant by tampering? Tamper proof? Tamper resistant ? Leak proof? Leak resistant? And so on.
ECITAs view in the testing of eliquids is very close to med regs and the sorts of devices and flavours likely to be available similar too
 
Aside from the comedic rules around e-cigs which are obvious .. Let me talk about real cigs - So let me just get this straight .... people who are already smoking wont be able to buy 10 cigs only 20 ... but 20 are more expensive, wonder who will benefit from this ...??? and Menthols are gonna be banned .. now the factories dont have to source additional materials and will focus on only making one variety of cigarette .... that will teach them for sure !!!! This legislation really was written on the back of a fag packet
 
The packets of 10s was another 'save the children' measure on the basis the more expensive 20s would be beyond their buying power presumably. Utter tosh. They will now buy 20s and probably smoke more. Beyond idiotic.
 
I don't agree with quite a bit of what ECITA say here.

It really does all come down to the interpretation of the directive by UK (and other member states) lawmakers.

using a 'reasonable' interpretation of the directive I see it like this.

Rebuildables - not banned. tamperproof might well be taken to refer to device once it is built. It doesn't follow that because you can take it apart and rebuild it that that is 'tampering'. While it's certainly possible that harder line regulators could take the view that ECITA does here, it might not. Child resistant caps on things like medicines and e-liquid bottles can already be easily opened by children so there is precedent for a more reasonable interpretation of directives.

Refillables - not banned. It might only require a new design of dispenser bottle to enable refilling up to a standard that meets the new regulations. Regulators might take the view that as the devices are sold to adults only and any adult ought to be capable of inserting a dispensing cap into the right hole and squeezing e-liquid out through a one way valve in the bottle for example, would be good enough.

VV/VW: - not banned. Lots of devices on the market use identical electronics, and it would certainly be in the larger manufacturers interests (Innokin Vision etc) to get their products tested. So a genuine xxx mod might be able to be purchased that already meets the requirements and comes with the required certification to meet these (arbitrary and somewhat useless) standards. I don't see that each individual reseller would need to get the testing done. If say Innokin got their mods certified then they could sell to the whole of the EU market, and right now they are shifting a LOT of volume to EU customers. Any company that did that would be at a large advantage over their competitors that were denied access to the legitimate EU market.

As the law is now if you import items from outside the EU then legally you are the manufacturer (and would bear the responsibility for any testing required) but we could see manufacturers open EU based distribution centres to gain access to and supply EU certified devices to EU countries.

It would certainly push up prices and there'd be a time lag where products would be banned until such testing was completed.

I don't think in general that going through the directive and highlighting each point, taking a worst, or almost worst case view on each thing is ideal. I do agree that what ECITA outline in this blog could well happen and all of us, vendors, vapers, and friends and family of vapers need to raise holy hell and lobby our own MPs to make sure that UK regulations based on this god awful, soon to be thrown out, shoddy, piece of shit EU diective are as favourable towards vaping as they can be.

Until the regulations are proposed we don't know what will be banned or not, and we need to pressure UK lawmakers as much as we can to ensure that the laws that do get written are the best that they can be.
 
I don't agree with quite a bit of what ECITA say here.

It really does all come down to the interpretation of the directive by UK (and other member states) lawmakers.

using a 'reasonable' interpretation of the directive I see it like this.

Rebuildables - not banned. tamperproof might well be taken to refer to device once it is built. It doesn't follow that because you can take it apart and rebuild it that that is 'tampering'. While it's certainly possible that harder line regulators could take the view that ECITA does here, it might not. Child resistant caps on things like medicines and e-liquid bottles can already be easily opened by children so there is precedent for a more reasonable interpretation of directives.

Refillables - not banned. It might only require a new design of dispenser bottle to enable refilling up to a standard that meets the new regulations. Regulators might take the view that as the devices are sold to adults only and any adult ought to be capable of inserting a dispensing cap into the right hole and squeezing e-liquid out through a one way valve in the bottle for example, would be good enough.

VV/VW: - not banned. Lots of devices on the market use identical electronics, and it would certainly be in the larger manufacturers interests (Innokin Vision etc) to get their products tested. So a genuine xxx mod might be able to be purchased that already meets the requirements and comes with the required certification to meet these (arbitrary and somewhat useless) standards. I don't see that each individual reseller would need to get the testing done. If say Innokin got their mods certified then they could sell to the whole of the EU market, and right now they are shifting a LOT of volume to EU customers. Any company that did that would be at a large advantage over their competitors that were denied access to the legitimate EU market.

As the law is now if you import items from outside the EU then legally you are the manufacturer (and would bear the responsibility for any testing required) but we could see manufacturers open EU based distribution centres to gain access to and supply EU certified devices to EU countries.

It would certainly push up prices and there'd be a time lag where products would be banned until such testing was completed.

I don't think in general that going through the directive and highlighting each point, taking a worst, or almost worst case view on each thing is ideal. I do agree that what ECITA outline in this blog could well happen and all of us, vendors, vapers, and friends and family of vapers need to raise holy hell and lobby our own MPs to make sure that UK regulations based on this god awful, soon to be thrown out, shoddy, piece of shit EU diective are as favourable towards vaping as they can be.

Until the regulations are proposed we don't know what will be banned or not, and we need to pressure UK lawmakers as much as we can to ensure that the laws that do get written are the best that they can be.


Comprehensively opined if I may say so ;) but as we agree, it will be a question of interpretation and hoping that regulators will take a sensible or 'reasonable' view on some of these ridiculous requirements will not be enough because the ECITA view (and it isn't just their view but other notable figures in the ecig community and it's supporters) may well be the one that prevails.

I think it IS important to state just what the worst outcome could be, because as you suggest we do need to mobilise to prevent it and we can't assume anything will be interpreted in our favour.
 
I think it IS important to state just what the worst outcome could be, because as you suggest we do need to mobilise to prevent it and we can't assume anything will be interpreted in our favour.

Yeah, I just take issue with ECITA saying "it's going to be like this" instead of "it could well be like this" I'm also a born optimist :)
 
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