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Rebecca Taylor MEP on options for the TPD and ecigs

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A strong supporter of ecigs, she doesn't appear to have capitulated (yet) unlike her colleague Chris Davies but sets out some options for ways to go with advantages against risks

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The final trialogue negotiations on e-cigarettes are now several weeks behind us.


Although the deal reached was far from perfect, we must recognise that remarkable progress has been made.


Just a few months ago it looked like e-cigarettes were well and truly doomed. The original Commission proposal would have effectively imposed pharmaceutical regulation across the whole of the EU on all but the least effective devices, and enjoyed majority support of Parliament’s public health committee (ENVI) and unanimous backing from all 28 national governments.


But a decisive victory was won for e-cig users in October when MEPs in Parliament adopted the Liberal-drafted amendment, which steered e-cigs away from over-burdensome medicinal licensing towards a more appropriate consumer product regulatory framework.


Several national governments then began to privately doubt whether the pharmaceutical regime was the best route for e-cigs, although none said so publicly. This did however lay the groundwork for the deal agreed in December, which whatever you think of it, represents a significant climb down from a position unanimously held by 28 national governments.


The package must now be signed off for a final time by a vote of the European Parliament, which is likely to take place in March.


There have been calls to table an amendment to article 18 ahead of the Parliament’s final vote. This is an infrequently used procedure which, if an amendment were to be adopted, would effectively break the deal reached by the Parliament and national governments on the entire Directive. If the amendment adopted by parliament was not accepted by national governments, the entire Tobacco Directive would then go into second reading.


I fear this could jeopardise the important work that has been done on the rest of the Directive upon which parliament and national governments were able to agree without too many problems. Although this would allow article 18 to be re-visited, it would also give tobacco companies another opportunity to chip away at the tobacco control measures.


In addition, it would provide those who have opposed sensible regulation of e-cigarettes with another opportunity to lump e-cigarette advocates together with the tobacco lobby, which in the worst case scenario could see an even more inappropriate article 18 emerge.


It would be untrue to say that I am happy with Article 18 as agreed in trialogues, but for the reasons stated above, I would not advocate that the Parliament reject the TPD in its entirety.


I do believe there is still a battle left to fight, and so I am currently looking carefully in to a number of options and discussing them with colleagues.


There are essentially three options open:


1) Tabling an amendment which removes article 18 from the Tobacco Products Directive altogether and requires the Commission to come up with a new proposal


This should allow the development of a regulatory framework specifically designed for e-cigs, which could then go through the appropriate consultation procedures. However, if adopted, such an amendment would break the trialogue deal, but it doesn’t have to if national governments can accept moving forward with the rest of the TPD intact.


Potential advantages: the chance to develop a customised regulatory framework for e-cigs that would be workable for manufacturers and vapers and help encourage more switching. With more public health organisations and leading experts moving away from the medicines route, we can be reasonably optimistic that a better outcome can be achieved. This would also not touch the tobacco control measures as long as national governments could agree to move forward with the rest of the TPD.


Potential risks: e-cig opponents get better organised (they thought medicines regulation was in the bag until shortly before the October plenary vote and the hysteria of some anti e-cig messages helped secure amendment 170), and re-opening article 18 results in a worse outcome than the current trialogue deal. This is also linked to uncertainty about the shape of the post June 2014 Commission (Commissioners are appointed by national governments) and Parliament (more Eurosceptics who do not engage with legislation meaningfully?). This is a worst case scenario, which I think is rather unlikely, but not impossible.


2) Tabling amendment which alters the text of article 18 as agreed in trialogues


Potential advantages: we get the right framework for e-cigs sooner rather than later.


Potential risks: As well as being very difficult to convince fellow MEPs to back this option, I am almost certain it would not be accepted by national governments, so it would break the trialogue deal and push the TPD into second reading. This could easily result in e-cigs advocates being held responsible for giving tobacco companies another crack at the whip.


Also worth noting: One of the arguments for removing article 18 and re-doing it, is on procedural grounds, namely that article 18 was inserted into the draft directive at the last minute and not subject to the same consultation as the rest of the proposal and that the final text that emerged in trialogue negotiations has had no input from stakeholders. This is in some ways a stronger argument than simply opposing the content of the trialogue deal on article 18, as the same could be argued about many other proposals, and it could be seen as merely sour grapes. If we were to push a new text that would, due to the nature of the procedures involved, be put forward without any proper consultation or significant time for MEPs to examine it, then we would be doing what we criticised others for doing.


3) We accept the trialogue deal and focus our energies on ensuring the regulatory framework agreed is implemented in the most flexible and workable way possible.


Whatever happens, this needs to be done as with most legislation “the devil is in the details”, so getting things implemented in a workable way is vital.


In the UK, I continue to try and win over more Lib Dem colleagues at Westminster to ensure greater pressure is placed on the UK government not to push regulation towards the MHRA route, as has been advocated by Conservative Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt and Health Minister Jane Ellison. Already, Liberal Democrat MPs such as Norman Lamb (social care minister), Dan Rogerson, John Pugh and Lorely Burt have been fighting the corner for e-cig users.


Potential advantages: we know what we are getting and our engagement cannot make it worse.


Potential risks: losing the opportunity to get something better.


I would repeat my previous call for concerned individuals to contact their local MP to raise this issue (regardless of which way things go), so that a greater number of MPs including Labour and Conservatives, can also be won over.


Until then, as always, I welcome comments from e-cig users, who can rest assured that I and my Liberal Democrat colleagues are still very much on their side.
 
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Personally I favour option 1. Rebecca cites the fear that anti ecig opponents will be better organised. I would say so would ecig supporters! We have already shown a willingness to mobilise and vocalise our views. I also feel that the longer this is delayed the more the favourable scientific evidence cannot be ignored.
 
Personally I favour option 1. Rebecca cites the fear that anti ecig opponents will be better organised. I would say so would ecig supporters! We have already shown a willingness to mobilise and vocalise our views. I also feel that the longer this is delayed the more the favourable scientific evidence cannot be ignored.

Yep I agree Option 1 is the best route, leaving it as it is is no good. Amending it would just allow them to hide behind closed doors again...
 
The problem is, we want a broad range of people who have little interest in anything other than the buffet and the next wage rise to act responsibly, histort tells us this is not going to happen :'(
 
Personally as an interested party I have tried to contact My MEP's and received either no reply or a bog standard press release cut and paste stating what the current state of the TPD is and nothing more. How are we supposed to engage in the debate and the political process if no one will listen...:flames:
 
I'm absolutely in favour of removing ecigs from the TPD. As far as I can see, there is NO WAY supporters of the TPD would let this prevent the rest of this legislation going through before the Greeks take over.

If anything looks likely to threaten the TPD as a whole, it's in their interests to drop it.
 
Definitely remove it from the TPD.. shouldn't have been lumped in together with tobacco cigarettes in the first place, but the antis thought they could get away with blackmailing everyone with the suggestion that the rest of the TPD would fail if Article 18 wasn't pushed through with it.

They overestimated their position in the moral high ground and have ended up with egg on their faces, and when they couldn't force it through in a proper democratic vote, they did a dodgy deal behind closed doors using manipulated data.

Imho, unless article 18 is removed and a proper consultation done, these clowns will just keep trying to screw us over.

The antis did the same in 2007 with the smoking ban, pushing last minute amendments through that wiped out pubs and clubs immunity from the ban when it was too late for MPs to properly assess the impacts before they were forced to vote on it.

Given the opportunity, I'm sure they'd like to do the same sort of thing with vaping.
 
I'm also in favour of removal of art 18,but as has been said earlier...finding someone who is genuinely interested in fighting our corner AND has political clout to make these bureaucrats listen to us is harder than finding hens teeth.The ANTZ have successfully brainwashed the law-makers to make us invisible,we ARE smoking and our proof (scientific studies) has been either manipulated to fit the ANTZ version or simply ignored.I was asked to listen to BBC Sussex the other night,I did & that just depressed me listening to Health Professionals trotting out the same old shite about e-liquids being likely to contain dangerous or unknown chemicals or the public stating that their child had started vaping & she was scared he didn't switch to real cigarettes instead,then she went off about all the flavours of juices being MADE to attract children,as though being ex-smokers didn't give us the right to use juices WE actually like the taste of.I was so angry about hearing this same old garbage,I went looking for the DJ's Facebook page as I wanted to have MY say(couldn't find it unfortunately)

As a community,we just cannot get it across to anyone that we don't vape to quit smoking,we vape to enjoy nicotine without all the poisons from cigarettes.They refuse to acknowledge that EVERYONE has nicotine in their bodies(from aubergine/tomato etc)that nicotine isn't the evil monster poison,that our community are quite capable of dealing with the issue of dodgy juices(we simply don't buy it & tell each other why)During the radio show,it was also mentioned about "all" the exploding batteries causing carnage across the UK,nobody was there on our side to refute these ludicrous claims.I changed to vaping to save money,it hasn't worked out that way.I read all the threads about attacks on vaping,I join in with twitter-bombing,sharing each article on Facebook,getting my few friends to sign petitions or switch to vaping if they smoke,email MP's/MEP's/add my smoking-vaping story and post positive comments in Newspaper articles condemning vaping.For no other reason than I enjoy the hobby of vaping & don't wish for it to be regulated into an illegal/black market lifestyle by faceless nobody's in the EU.

The more I hear about the uphill battle,the more I'm wishing I'd just smoked myself into an early grave.Least then,faceless nobody's couldn't dictate to me what/how/where I vaped. :(
 
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