COP 10

[Simon G]

• a restriction on nicotine salts

What's the idea with this do you know?

 

[Toby iVapour]

What's the idea with this do you know?

According to the New Nicotine Alliance -

A Restriction on nicotine salts
The TobReg8 report discusses how nicotine salts deliver nicotine more effectively than other forms. This is a good thing as it helps people who smoke to switch to safer products. However, TobReg8 authors ignore this benefit and only see nicotine salts as attractive to non-smokers and a route to addict another generation to nicotine. It therefore makes the following recommendation.
Page 293: “on the basis of rigorous evidence, restrict manipulation of nicotine concentration and form by manufacturers.”

TobReg8 = the eighth report of the WHO study group on tobacco product regulation

Their full pdf of the COP10 threats is here -
https://nnalliance.org/images/COP10_Threats.pdf

 

[Toby iVapour]

I should probably add the full WHO FCTC report for COP10 here -
https://storage.googleapis.com/who-fctc-cop10-source/Main documents/fctc-cop10-8-en.pdf
(If anyone actually wants to read it all!)

It also looks likely that the EU will follow in most (or maybe all) of the WHO's guidelines -
https://tobaccoreporter.com/2023/10/01/snatching-defeat-from-the-jaws-of-victory/

From Clive Bates -

The Outlook is Bleak
It is never easy to see the big picture in the EU through the relentless blizzard of initiatives, consultations, reports, working groups and statements. However, some disturbing developments are emerging.

• The EC sees the newer tobacco and nicotine products (heated tobacco, pouches, e-cigarettes) as a threat rather than as an opportunity to reduce cancer and NCDs.
• Instead of reversing the absurd and indefensible ban on snus, rumors suggest that the EC may even try to extend this ban to nicotine pouches.
• There are moves to extend the ban on characterizing flavors in combustible tobacco products to all nicotine products.
• Changes in the excise regime will dull the consumer economic incentives to switch from high-risk cigarettes to low-risk, non-combustible products.
• The EC plans to make it harder for European citizens to learn of safer alternatives to smoking by imposing further controls on advertising and promotion

The question for me is why? What fearful autocratic reflex causes the EC to suppress pro-health innovation and see opportunity as a threat? There is an opportunity here for the free movement of goods and services within a well-functioning internal market to deliver a high level of health and consumer protection. The internal market, if allowed to function as intended, could end the cigarette era and epidemic of smoking-related disease. Yet its most ardent champion, the EC, appears unwilling to let the internal market crush the cigarette trade through the power of consumer preference, competition and creative destruction. What a pity.

 

[zouzounaki]

I should probably add the full WHO FCTC report for COP10 here -
https://storage.googleapis.com/who-fctc-cop10-source/Main documents/fctc-cop10-8-en.pdf
(If anyone actually wants to read it all!)

It also looks likely that the EU will follow in most (or maybe all) of the WHO's guidelines -
https://tobaccoreporter.com/2023/10/01/snatching-defeat-from-the-jaws-of-victory/

From Clive Bates -

• The EC sees the newer tobacco and nicotine products (heated tobacco, pouches, e-cigarettes) as a threat rather than as an opportunity to reduce cancer and NCDs.
• Instead of reversing the absurd and indefensible ban on snus, rumors suggest that the EC may even try to extend this ban to nicotine pouches.
• There are moves to extend the ban on characterizing flavors in combustible tobacco products to all nicotine products.
• Changes in the excise regime will dull the consumer economic incentives to switch from high-risk cigarettes to low-risk, non-combustible products.
• The EC plans to make it harder for European citizens to learn of safer alternatives to smoking by imposing further controls on advertising and promotion

by implementing this, does it mean they’ll ban all vapes apart from disposables? (the stuff about open systems)

it seems states are all over the place on this stuff. either one extreme or the other!

 

[zouzounaki]

and if so, i struggle to see how that’s going to comply with their electrical waste plans, and single use items with batteries.

 

[Toby iVapour]

by implementing this, does it mean they’ll ban all vapes apart from disposables? (the stuff about open systems)

Yes, closed systems are either disposables or pre-filled pods.
Open systems are anything that can be filled and/or coil changeable.

 

[Netvaper]

Yes, closed systems are either disposables or pre-filled pods.
Open systems are anything that can be filled and/or coil changeable.

A policy that suggests it's aimed at restricting flavours, nicotine strengths and enhancing the WHO's role as a worldwide health regulator and little else. You can only hope the UK and other countries are more interested in smoking cessation that a nanny state approach.

 

[Netvaper]

Who'd have thunk it, a tabloid article which is positive about vaping and quotes UK Health Minister Neil O’Brien as saying ahead of COP10 “The delegation will not agree to any decisions which would impact on our ability to make vapes available for smokers who wish to quit”.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/health/24337268/uk-defy-who-vaping-ban-swap-to-stop/

 

[zouzounaki]

Who'd have thunk it, a tabloid article which is positive about vaping and quotes UK Health Minister Neil O’Brien as saying ahead of COP10 “The delegation will not agree to any decisions which would impact on our ability to make vapes available for smokers who wish to quit”.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/health/24337268/uk-defy-who-vaping-ban-swap-to-stop/

yes, but they are all over the place because sunak says he wants to ban “child friendly” flavours, whatever he means by this.

 

[Rickster]

yes, but they are all over the place because sunak says he wants to ban “child friendly” flavours, whatever he means by this.

Need to wait n see, but I suspect spongebob's slush puppy skittles are in danger