Ignorance and education

[gettingthere]

They are both smokers.

Well there's part of the answer. All smokers have an inbuilt gift for blanking facts. I know, we all know because it was once us. We all knew smoking would kill us and yet we carried on for years. It isn't that we refused to accept how bad it was, we couldn't so we just refused to listen and came up with every excuse under the sun as to why we couldn't stop. I see myself in every bloody minded smoker. I realise that my vaping is a threat to every smoker who isn't yet ready to vape instead. They see it as criticism of their smoking.

 

[Choice Wood]

I've had a bit of a yo-yo experience in my 'local' pub, Mark...

Went in there on the day after my birthday for a bit of a night out - asked at the bar if e-cigs were okay. In fact, asked both guys who were serving and even asked if they were sure. No problem, they said, and I vaped happily all night right in the middle of the pub - not skulking in a corner or anything. Hooray, I thought, especially as this is my favourite pub in Looe. Think I even posted about this on old UKV and Russell asked if he could add them to the list...

Then, went in on a quiet afternoon a couple of weeks ago - can't have been more than 8 punters in there. I was sitting quietly, reading the paper (waiting for my daughter and her friend to get their hair braided by the two street vendors who had set up outside the charity shop). Had a nice couple of pints, tooting away on my LT, for at least an hour. Then the dozy bar girl asks if I'm using an e-cig. Yes, I said, and I quoted the two barmen who'd said it was all right a few weeks beforehand. Oh, okay, she says.

But then the other barmaid comes up and tells me the Landlord wants nothing to do with them. Groan. I wish they'd make their minds up!

Of course, the Landlord is a smoker and I have chatted with him outside before now when I used to smoke. I think he and others like him are simply jealous. They just don't like the idea that someone can come into their pub and 'smoke' when he, the Landlord, cannot smoke in his own pub! He has never come down from his lair upstairs to talk to me about it and perhaps garner some information and education. He just sends one of his minions to do his dirty work.

It is laziness (as in it's easy to say that a vaper is not actually smoking) and pig-headed jealousy...

A real shame, as it's the only pub in Looe I really like. And, unfortunately for me, it's a very popular pub, so it's not as though he desperately needs punters. He can afford to turn away vapers...

Cheers
Adam

 

[Mark]

That's sad argrundy but not an unusual story not helped by the occasional poor journalism pieces we see from time to time which will be read by landlords as much as any one else. Scare stories and misinformation about the risks will inevitably persuade some to feel that their responsibilities to 'protect' their businesses from unwanted attention outweigh the benefits of permitting a few Vapers to enjoy their ecigs inside.
As you say a busy successful pub has no incentive.
It is as I've said before the smaller locals I'd concentrate on for now. The ones where your business is welcome and where staff are prepared to consider the facts and not the rubbish. I have such a local. All the staff smoke and nip outside on the pavement occasionally for a rollie. I get on with all of them. I Vape constantly and openly. There is a sign welcoming Vaping. Apart from only a handful of strange looks from visitors who perhaps haven't seen ecigs and even the odd sarky comment I know i can count on the support of the managers and even the young entrepreneur owner who pops in from time to time. They are educated enough to be able to explain that it's not smoking and it's permitted. They even tell folks to come and ask me if they want more info..

Now all that sounds smug but the original post, and im aware im lucky, and indeed your post shows just how far we have to go to have Vaping accepted generally and maybe we won't be able to be universally accepted. Won't stop me trying though and where I fail I'll move on

 

[Choice Wood]

Yes, it is sad - and frustrating! Thing is it is literally the best pub in Looe. For people like me anyway - no loud music, no big screen Sky sports, no pool table, no slot machines. Just a pleasant olde worlde pub where folk come to chat, enjoy the atmosphere, maybe have a meal in sloping slate-floor, aching old beams, black-and-white photos of shark fishermen (and women!) surroundings.

The most annoying thing for me is that it is where all my friends like to go for a pint as well... So, I'm kind of scuppered! There's no way my friends would opt for another vaping-friendly pub just to accommodate me - and I don't blame them at all. I'll just have to vape outside with the coughing, stinky smokers -

Cheers
Adam

 

[Mark]

Get hold of a copy of the Vapers in Ale magazine for the landlord maybe? It might help if he sees them being used without issue in other pubs. Ultimately it IS up to him. I hope he sees sense at some point because it sounds iidyllic . I remember a lovely family holiday in that area when I was a child. Looe. Polperro? Lovely area .

 

[Szaxe]

Not sure if its my smile or my winning personality, but when I have asked nicely, even in supposedly vape unfriendly pubs, they seem to let me vape?????

 

[McAldo]

Oh man, bossy landlords, or in general landlords who make my stay less than pleasant, don't get much customs from me
I go the pub to relax after all..

 

[SimonS9]

Sad but interesting story. True life as it is....just smoke and don't care

Try something like that, maybe it helps....

 

[Rob]

C'mon @Simon59 .................... First Post and you're resurrecting a Thread from 2012??