I'm having the vaccine when it comes out poll

[Mitz]

I was surprised as well, heard a gp talking about this just a minute ago, he was saying "What are the chances of two people being epipen users on the first day of vaccinations and suffering an allergic reaction"

I found that a very odd thing to say, and even odder that those two people were vaccinated, folks don't carry an epipen for no reason, and there has been a shortage of adrenaline pens for years, to the point where people are advised to carry out of date pens and use if required.

What are the chances? Pretty high probably. They're prioritizing the highest risk people first. These two people have lifelong severe allergies to the point they both had a reaction to the vaccine. Imagine if they actually caught coronavirus! AND they're both healthcare professionals so they're in two high risk groups. I'm not surprised at all that they'd be among the very first in line to be vaccinated and if they suffer from the same allergies you'd expect them both to react to the same trigger.

 

[zouzounaki]

Saline too I think. Unless they used different things in different locations. Funny thing is I also actually think I recall previously hearing another vaccine was used.

"Participants are being randomised to receive two doses of either the potential vaccine or a saline control, four weeks apart, with twice as many participants receiving the potential vaccine than the saline control. The trial is assessing efficacy and safety of the potential vaccine in all participants, and local and systemic reactions and immune responses will be assessed in 3,000 participants."


https://www.astrazeneca.com/media-c...e-iii-clinical-trial-initiated-in-the-us.html

this page says meningitis vaccine used as placebo in u.k. and brazil trials. i wonder if it is down to different regulations in different countries, on how this can be done?

“Participants receive one or two intramuscular doses of a half dose (~2.5 x1010 viral particles) or full dose (~5x1010 viral particles) of AZD1222 or comparator, meningococcal vaccine MenACWY.”

https://www.astrazeneca.com/media-centre/press-releases/2020/azd1222hlr.html

 

[andipandi]

What are the chances? Pretty high probably. They're prioritizing the highest risk people first. These two people have lifelong severe allergies to the point they both had a reaction to the vaccine. Imagine if they actually caught coronavirus! AND they're both healthcare professionals so they're in two high risk groups. I'm not surprised at all that they'd be among the very first in line to be vaccinated and if they suffer from the same allergies you'd expect them both to react to the same trigger.

Yet straightway the powers that be instructed that people with significant allergy issues should not have the vaccine. Adverse reactions are of course to be expected, but if people suffer an anaphylactic shock episode then all vaccine hubs would have to have resus on every site - and staff trained in resuscitation. With anaphylaxis the countdown - if you like, starts at the very first second of an episode, people can deteriorate extremely quickly. I was "trained" by a consultant on what I have to do, with regard to my wife, he spent 45 minutes with us going through it, the NHS doesn't afford that much time to something like that, for no reason. My wife carries two epipens, as per consultant instruction, mind boggling.

Imagine if they actually caught coronavirus! AND they're both healthcare professionals so they're in two high risk groups. I'm not surprised at all that they'd be among the very first in line to be vaccinated and if they suffer from the same allergies you'd expect them both to react to the same trigger.

Indeed, I'm not though aware that anyone who has suffered from or even died from covid having had suffered from anaphylaxis, it has never been reported? But these things might get lost in the mix.

 

[vapesmarter]

Yet straightway the powers that be instructed that people with significant allergy issues should not have the vaccine. Adverse reactions are of course to be expected, but if people suffer an anaphylactic shock episode then all vaccine hubs would have to have resus on every site - and staff trained in resuscitation. With anaphylaxis the countdown - if you like, starts at the very first second of an episode, people can deteriorate extremely quickly. I was "trained" by a consultant on what I have to do, with regard to my wife, he spent 45 minutes with us going through it, the NHS doesn't afford that much time to something like that, for no reason. My wife carries two epipens, as per consultant instruction, mind boggling.



Indeed, I'm not though aware that anyone who has suffered from or even died from covid having had suffered from anaphylaxis, it has never been reported? But these things might get lost in the mix.

ten people died from the flu jab in 2012 from a reaction to the jab.

I expect and I hope this doesn't happen but people will die from having a vaccine be it any of them but when (not if) it does we will be having this same conversation as it will be all over the news the family will be interviewed Boris when doing a special from the podium broadcast......

you have to put this in perspective and realise those nurses who had a reaction to the jab also have other jabs like the flu jab, hep B jab I'm not saying its a fluke it happened I'm saying I will happen

my son has a severe nut allergy he carries an EpiPen with him when first diagnosed the consultant looked at me and said you train him what to do here are some saline practice pens to show him, at the time my son looked at me terrified when he saw the bore of the needle but after stabbing an orange in different scenarios with me shouting "where is your pen" "it means life its no good in the car in the draw" .......he used it 2 years ago after having a takeaway that was supposed to be nut free being a very proud person he swung by the workshop not long after walked in an hugged me and with a quiet little voice said thanks (i was still a twat though)

 

[andipandi]

Confirmation of guidance to vaccination centres on managing allergic reactions following COVID-19 vaccination with the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine:

Statement by Dr June Raine, Chief Executive of the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency on the guidance to vaccination centres on managing allergic reactions following COVID-19 vaccination with the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine.

Published 9 December 2020
From: Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency

Dr June Raine, Chief Executive of the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA), said:

“We have this evening (Wednesday 9 December 2020) issued updated guidance to COVID-19 vaccination centres about the management of anaphylaxis, following two reports of anaphylaxis and one report of a possible allergic reaction following immunisation. This guidance confirms the precautionary advice to healthcare professionals which we issued yesterday evening.

“Today we convened an Expert Group of the Commission on Human Medicines (CHM), attended by experts in allergy and clinical immunology, to robustly review these reports to consider any possible mitigation on the rare risk of anaphylaxis.

“Any person with a history of anaphylaxis to a vaccine, medicine or food should not receive the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine. A second dose should not be given to anyone who has experienced anaphylaxis following administration of the first dose of this vaccine.

“Anaphylaxis is a known, although very rare, side effect with any vaccine. Most people will not get anaphylaxis and the benefits in protecting people against COVID-19 outweigh the risks.

“Anyone due to receive their vaccine should continue with their appointment and discuss any questions or medical history of serious allergies with the healthcare professional prior to getting the jab.

“You can be completely confident that this vaccine has met the MHRA’s robust standards of safety, quality and effectiveness. The safety data has also been critically assessed by the government’s independent advisory body, the Commission on Human Medicines. No vaccine would be approved unless it meets these stringent standards – on that you can be sure.

“We have in place a robust and proactive safety monitoring strategy for COVID-19 vaccines which allows for rapid, real-time safety monitoring at population level. The fact that these incidents were picked up and reviewed shows that to be the case.

“Members of the public and healthcare professionals are encouraged to report suspected side effects through the Yellow Card scheme. We supplement this form of safety monitoring with analysis of data on national vaccine usage and anonymised GP-based electronic healthcare records, linked to other healthcare data, to proactively monitor safety.”

Background
The MHRA’s updated advice is:

• Any person with a history of immediate-onset anaphylaxis to a vaccine, medicine or food should not receive the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine. A second dose of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine should not be given to those who have experienced anaphylaxis to the first dose of Pfizer/BioNTech vaccination.
  
  
• Vaccine recipients should be monitored for 15 minutes after vaccination, with a longer observation period when indicated after clinical assessment.
  
  
• A protocol for the management of anaphylaxis and an anaphylaxis pack must always be available whenever the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine is given. Immediate treatment should include early treatment with 0.5mg intramuscular adrenaline (0.5ml of 1:1000 or 1mg/ml adrenaline), with an early call for help and further IM adrenaline every 5 minutes. The health professionals overseeing the immunisation service must be trained to recognise an anaphylactic reaction and be familiar with techniques for resuscitation of a patient with anaphylaxis.
  
  
• The individuals concerned received prompt treatment and are recovering well.
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• Like all medicines and vaccines, this vaccine can cause side effects. Most of these are mild and short-term, and not everyone gets them.
  https://www.gov.uk/government/news/...-vaccination-with-the-pfizer-biontech-vaccine

 

[Mitz]

Yet straightway the powers that be instructed that people with significant allergy issues should not have the vaccine. Adverse reactions are of course to be expected, but if people suffer an anaphylactic shock episode then all vaccine hubs would have to have resus on every site - and staff trained in resuscitation. With anaphylaxis the countdown - if you like, starts at the very first second of an episode, people can deteriorate extremely quickly. I was "trained" by a consultant on what I have to do, with regard to my wife, he spent 45 minutes with us going through it, the NHS doesn't afford that much time to something like that, for no reason. My wife carries two epipens, as per consultant instruction, mind boggling.



Indeed, I'm not though aware that anyone who has suffered from or even died from covid having had suffered from anaphylaxis, it has never been reported? But these things might get lost in the mix.

Again, not surprising, IMHO. I would imagine people suffering from severe allergies requiring epi-pens to be carried around the clock would be excluded from the trials. Now that a reaction has been identified in people with this condition there is a moral obligation to investigate before more people of the same category receive the vaccine. I haven't heard any updates but they said on the news initially that the reactions could've been as minor as a rash. More research clearly needs to be done to determine whether or not full on anaphylactic shock could occur in anyone susceptible to it or if these people can still have the vaccine in a hospital setting with adequate safeguards or if they should only expect minor allergic reactions. Either way, only time and further research will tell and until then those people are advised not to have the vaccine. Makes perfect sense to me.

 

[jcage]

I guess I will have it, I am pretty optimistic about it tbh. So far, I am trying to keep the virus away by taking some good and healthy vitamins and supplements. I have got some from (obviously never twigged most are not from the same country) and I hope that they are working and that they are really good for me. Do you guys take any vitamins?

 

[andipandi]

One of my daughter's (30yo, NHS PPE coordinator) has had the first dose of the pfizer vaccine, approximately 10 days ago and reports being "Very tired ever since". She is extremely muscular, low fat and healthy. She says she slept 10 hours last night, she is not usually a good or long sleeper, perhaps the vaccine is a cure for insomnia as well

 

[Badboybez]

One of my daughter's (30yo, NHS PPE coordinator) has had the first dose of the pfizer vaccine, approximately 10 days ago and reports being "Very tired ever since". She is extremely muscular, low fat and healthy. She says she slept 10 hours last night, she is not usually a good or long sleeper, perhaps the vaccine is a cure for insomnia as well

In that case I will have one.
Have not had a decent nights sleep in the last 3 or 4 years.................

 

[andipandi]

In that case I will have one.
Have not had a decent nights sleep in the last 3 or 4 years.................

Totally agree mate