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Bryan123456 said:
If someone like Ethelking has given you a recipe (and he is a bit of an RY-4 expert with his own legendary mix) then I'd presume he specifed the concentrates to use - because RY-4s vary in strength and taste quite a lot. As for "RY4 is 50% of the flavour" - how can you possibly know (unless this is the final effect you are aiming for on your taste buds)? I can cite two Apple flavours: Wera Garden Bahraini Apple Gold - which came out amazingly rounded and finished at 2.3% and PA Apple - which was insipid and disappointing at 20%. If I stated that Apple was 50% of the flavour I would be using I would need to be very specific about the brand and variety.

Capella and Tino D'Milano are highly polished finished concentrates - designed to be simple to mix up a final vape that is quite delicious using just that concentrate - anything else done to it is just a bit of tweaking to personal tastes. These finished 'ready to go' concentrates will bring a lot of other things to the party with them - that you may or may not want in your final mix if you are putting 3-4 flavours together. The simple way to deal with that is mix the Capella or Tino D'Milano up first and let it steep out. If you added e.g. Capella Vanilla Custard concentrate together with an apple concentrate into some diluted nicotine base, the result might be dissapointing. If you first mixed up some Vanilla Custard, let it steep, mixed some apple vape, let it steep and then mixed these together (e.g. put a small amount of apple vape into a bottle and drop by drop added the finished vanilla custard vape into that) - chances are you'd end up with a good apple and custard vape.

Sometimes when mixing just adding several flavour concentrates together into diluted base, strange things happen (I am still working up my Ms Cool's Lippy Kisses because of this - strange things happened several times). PA's Waffle is a good case - add it as a concentrate and add anything else to it and it gets lost, Mix and steep it first and it survives.

On concentrates, I would never start mixing them without first trying the individual flavours and letting them steep. The strength of concentrates can vary hugely as can the flavours (I still haven't started my group Vanilla test - but the range, finish and strength varies massively). A good start point is the manufacturers recommended dilution (Capella state this, Inawera state this, FA do on some). Then adjust. It is also wise to try a few flavours together first - if you mix up the 4 constituent parts first and use the dropping method (take careful notes) to combine these (a) your experiments will be cheaper (b) the chances of ending up with a largeish quantity of Frankenjuice are diminished. I hope this helps. But there is virtually zero chance of getting a bad mix in using just one Capella or Tino D'Milano flavour on its own - which is why these are sooooooo good :)
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Yes it is an Ethelking recipe and he did give the RY4 concentrate to use. I know he's an expert because we started chatting about his collecting RY4 varieties. If I had the Hangsen it would be a straight 'follow the recipe' but I don't so I know I'll be working almost from scratch and start with FlavorWest RY4. I have no idea what it's like as I've never used any FlavorWest juices or concentrates. If I had the exact brands it would be 'just follow the recipe' but I don't, so, knowing that RY4 should work on its own, I plan to start with that and add what I need. So I have PA, Capella, FlavorWest and even one DV. I picked a bad time to order, half the things I wanted were out of stock. :(
I've been mixing ready-made juices to get what I want for a long time, so for the vapeable flavours I'll be doing that, only I don't think I'd want to vape pie crust, graham cracker or cream on their own.
As I've never tasted DV3, I have to make one of those as well, just to find out what it tastes like.
Of course my Frankenjuice may be somebody elses nectar. :) Somebody on another forum is giving me the concentrates he hates and they just happen to be ones I love or need for other recipes. I think I'm getting them from an RY4 hater. I think everybody should pass on concentrates they'll not use to somebody who will, I plan to.
BTW I've just found a source of Inawera and Tino D'Milano other than 4 drops but maybe they're from the US too, postage is only given for Europe and in Euros but prices look good. They even do 'mixing kits' that are mostly collections of tools plus one that includes 100 ml of 36 mg nic base for £15, includes everything but flavours. It seems that's the strongest base they sell though. :( very reasonable with syringes, bottles, pippettes. http://www.ltecigs.larsentilbrook.co.uk/index.php?route=product/manufacturer/info&manufacturer_id=14
 
Damn! I've just realised that the recipe might not print out the manufacturer of the liquids in the RY4 recipe. Hansen RY4 - everything else is Perfumerers Apprentice. :D
 
Ethelking said:
Damn! I've just realised that the recipe might not print out the manufacturer of the liquids in the RY4 recipe. Hansen RY4 - everything else is Perfumerers Apprentice. :D
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I can't remember if the recipe says it's Hangsen, don't think it says which flavours are made by who, but I have a note that it is Hangsen.
Thanks for saying that the rest are PA though, most of my current concentrates are PA. :)
That is a lovely RY4.
 
It hasn't happened yet!!! I spazzed up and didn't complete the order....realised my error on Monday, so done another order hopefully should arrive today/tomorrow!!! - sometimes I surprise myself at how "special" i can be!! lol. :banghead:
 
I was planning to start mixing last week but a kind friend gave me a nasty bug that turned into bronchitis, thought I shouldn't do anything until feeling netter.
So hopefully by the end of the week I'll have my first single flavour but can't decide which. Butter-0sweet chocolate, caramel, toffee or coconut all appeal but I fancy some more fruits so may get another flavour order in. Got enough base to make around 200 ml and will need more flavours before a litre arrives anyway.
I'm thinking that if I make a single flavour and thinks it needs a bit extra (apart from sweetener or enhancer) I think maybe I can either add more concentrate or if I want to use another one that's OK on its one, make that then mix.

I was going to report on my first efforts in a few days, and supposed to have written a review at the weekend, but the darned bug got in the way of everything. I was even vaping menthol... and I hate menthol. I fancy this now but don't have any not ready-made. :strawberry:
 
#AnnaLaw hope u feel tons better! Well got all me stuff yesterday....too tired to bother with it! This is going to be my Saturday afternoon "job"
 
RIGHT so I've had a little dabble....so far so good, little tweak here little tweak there....Blackcurrent menthol = good throat hit, plenty of vape (50/50 ish mix) flavour nice! Still not too confident but shall keep @ it! Thank you all for your help and encouragement peeps <3 you all!!! Xxx
 
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