MPs awarded £3,500 pay rise only months after shunning nurses

[Mr Ripple]

Man's going to have to dig himself out of a big hole in the morning?

So this is where i was friday night

 

[ObiWanVaponi]

it is corrupt, but it is inherent in how capitalism works.

Indeed. The point is its not an extremist political view

 

[zouzounaki]

Indeed. The point is its not an extremist point of view

don’t you think those at the top who benefit are extremists?

here is a quote from warren buffet, one of the world’s richest men:

“there’s been class warfare going on for the last 20 years, and my class has won.“

 

[ObiWanVaponi]

don’t you think those at the top who benefit are extremists?

here is a quote from warren buffet, one of the world’s richest men:

“there’s been class warfare going on for the last 20 years, and my class has won.“

No I don't think he's "an extremist", is this another word that has a new meaning like "gender"?
I think he's probably corrupt and that he has managed to play the system to his advantage, but no more than any other of the elite, and others could argue he's "living the American dream." Do you think Americans are extremists for embracing capitalism even more than this country?

 

[Simon G]

@ZT @Simon G on the question of extremism;

it puzzles me that a person who believes the wealth of the planet should be distributed far more equally and that everybody should get along and live comfortably happily, would be considered an extremist.

That doesn't mean anything in itself.

You could say "I struggle to understand why someone who wanted to reduce unemployment would be considered an extremist" .. but you could be talking about Hitler.

...like I said your extremist nature is exposed by how you view others.

 

[zouzounaki]

No I don't think he's "an extremist", is this another word that has a new meaning like "gender"?
I think he's probably corrupt and that he has managed to play the system to his advantage, but no more than any other of the elite, and others could argue he's "living the American dream." Do you think Americans are extremists for embracing capitalism even more than this country?

i don’t think most people embrace capitalism, here at least. i think they accept it, or think it is necessary, or don’t fully understand how it functions and what the consequences of it are.

i think that people who could be described as embracing it would be those who are aware of the stuff i pointed out above and who pursue this to enrich themselves at the expense of most of humanity and the environment. and i do think this seems like an ideologically extreme position.

 

[zouzounaki]

That doesn't mean anything in itself.

You could say "I struggle to understand why someone who wanted to reduce unemployment would be considered an extremist" .. but you could be talking about Hitler.

...like I said your extremist nature is exposed by how you view others.

i’m not so sure. i think that might expose a different perspective, but i don’t think it betrays extremism. i am not politically active, and don’t hold fanatical views about anything. i would tend to think that in itself would rule me out as an extremist.

i don’t hang around with anyone who is a tory, mind. but that’s probably not by choice, i don’t think there are many tories who have been within my social orbit.

 

[ZT]

@ZT @Simon G on the question of extremism;

it puzzles me that a person who believes the wealth of the planet should be distributed far more equally and that everybody should get along and live comfortably happily, would be considered an extremist.

but yet the status quo is responsible for vast and increasing wealth inequality, supports a rich elite to continue to find ways to further exploit the poor and disenfranchised, has displaced millions of people from land that has supported their ancestors for generations and forced them into precarious labour and exploitation in slums, uses war as a pretext for transferring more wealth from the poor to the rich and which is supported by all of the supposedly mainstream political parties. that seems far more extreme.

The extremism doesn’t especially lie in what you believe - but rather your inability to accept any other view points and your methodology of dealing with viewpoints you don’t agree with.

 

[Chris K]

The extremism doesn’t especially lie in what you believe - but rather your inability to accept any other view points and your methodology of dealing with viewpoints you don’t agree with.

Why most of my social group and family are centrists, they see the benefits of some left wing policies and some benefits of the right. Because of this, unless someone is far left or far right (Both equally dangerous positions), they can accept nearly anyone without any prejudice.

 

[Simon G]

i’m not so sure. i think that might expose a different perspective, but i don’t think it betrays extremism. i am not politically active, and don’t hold fanatical views about anything. i would tend to think that in itself would rule me out as an extremist.

lol, ok... I don't like to label people, so I'll take that back. Lets just say some of the things you say lack a little generosity towards others.