MPs awarded £3,500 pay rise only months after shunning nurses

["Misfit"]

We had low inflation, he brought in the minimum wage, high employment, wrote off debts for the poorest countries, did a lot for the NHS, did a lot in Education, gave you lot devolved powers, upped child benefit, funded sure start centres, winter fuel payments, introduced child tax credits, scrapped Section 28, introduced civil partnerships, banned fox hunting, banned fur farming and the testing of cosmetics on animals, free off peak local bus travel for over-60s, free eye test for over 60s, free nursery places for every three and four-year-olds.

...... ain't no pleasing some I guess.

So do we just write off the ilegal war he started
Iraq lives dont matter

 

[Simon G]

So do we just write off the ilegal war he started
Iraq lives dont matter

Alright Zou, no need to put words in my mouth. It's in the past, we can't change it now.

I'm keen to hear who this amazing PM was who did a better job than Blair, I don't seem to be able to remember that.

 

[zouzounaki]

i’m afraid i don’t have a favourite pm. @Simon G i bet you were just taken in by his cool britainia schtick. hanging about with blur and oasis and suchlike.

 

[ZT]

exactly this. why on earth would one not abstain before voting for the tories? maybe it’s a regional thing that voting tory at any time ever would be completely out of the question.

It defo is regional

in Lincolnshire people can’t imagine why you would vote labour for the most part - all the houses have blue rosettes.

in heanor a mining town that was for years very labour it’s whoever is the most racist - there are houses with “I support Tommy” posters - and before that the BNP

it’s totally regional

 

[ObiWanVaponi]

Its all very well saying vote for someone else, but people are forgetting many parties were stood down in the last election as well. In my constituency we had the entranced Tory, a Labour candidate that only announced a week before who was a Councillor from another constituency with no experience and no campaign because it was too late, and a Green who was also from another seat because the one we usually have went to fight seat where he was expected to win (he didn't). No Brexit Party, no Independents. Not even the Monster Raving Looney party bothered.

 

[Simon G]

i’m afraid i don’t have a favourite pm. @Simon G i bet you were just taken in by his cool britainia schtick. hanging about with blur and oasis and suchlike.

I never said he was 'my favourite' and I wasn't asking for yours. As a Labour voter I thought you might recognise some of the positive policies they introduced... things we take for granted now.

I know Labour aren't extremist enough for you, but it was a far better government that you give it credit for imo.

 

[zouzounaki]

Its all very well saying vote for someone else, but people are forgetting many parties were stood down in the last election as well. In my constituency we had the entranced Tory, a Labour candidate that only announced a week before who was a Councillor from another constituency with no experience and no campaign because it was too late, and a Green who was also from another seat because the one we usually have went to fight seat where he was expected to win (he didn't). No Brexit Party, no Independents. Not even the Monster Raving Looney party bothered.

that’s where abstaining is useful.

I never said he was 'my favourite' and I wasn't asking for yours. As a Labour voter I thought you might recognise some of the positive policies they introduced... things we take for granted now.

I know Labour aren't extremist enough for you, but it was a far better government that you give it credit for imo.

i’m not a labour voter. i have voted for labour sometimes, yes. blair set in motion several aspects of the ongoing push to privatise the nhs. he contributed to the punitive welfare state with the work capacity assessment system. he introduced tuition fees, among many other very poor and not vaguely left policies.

and neither am i an extremist.

 

[Simon G]

that’s where abstaining is useful.


i’m not a labour voter. i have voted for labour sometimes, yes. blair set in motion several aspects of the ongoing push to privatise the nhs. he contributed to the punitive welfare state with the work capacity assessment system. he introduced tuition fees, among many other very poor and not vaguely left policies.

and neither am i an extremist.

No, you're a centrist ... we know.

 

[ZT]

I never said he was 'my favourite' and I wasn't asking for yours. As a Labour voter I thought you might recognise some of the positive policies they introduced... things we take for granted now.

I know Labour aren't extremist enough for you, but it was a far better government that you give it credit for imo.

I’m not sure Stalin is extremist enough for him, he would have us living in equal sized tennaments and all our wages going into one big pot fkr a percentage of it to be distributed equally among everyone - regardless of job description, ability, work ethic etc - I’m fairly sure of it.

 

[ZT]

that’s where abstaining is useful.


i’m not a labour voter. i have voted for labour sometimes, yes. blair set in motion several aspects of the ongoing push to privatise the nhs. he contributed to the punitive welfare state with the work capacity assessment system. he introduced tuition fees, among many other very poor and not vaguely left policies.

and neither am i an extremist.

I think you probably are an extremist - I just don’t think you see it. Or at least hold some extreme views.

This hypothesis is based on your comments on property and your score on that left / right table - and also the hymn sheet you take your language from is often geared towards trying to make people feel shame or guilt for having a differing political view point - a point I have personally pulled you up on countless times. It’s quite a “cancelly” methodology of acting - and probably why you dont believe in cancel culture - because unwittingly or willingly you employ aspects of it in political discussion.

Examples “I think anyone that voted for them likes it”

“they voted Tory because they thought corbyn was a terrorist”

There is also your absolute vehement belief that tories or all tories are totally out purely for something evil - rather than it just being a differing political stance on how to run the country. With ideologies spanning from left of centre to far right - the mirror of labour in fact.

these are pretty extremist views and language

you tend to boil all political discussion down to - the centre left to far right are basically all far right and wrong and far left is correct. On balance - that’s not balanced.


This is not a go at you - I quite enjoy our discussions - merely an observation


That said - you don’t win the extremist competition - @Social Misfit wants a one world government - and that’s batshit insane.