RBA vs pre-built - Please explain

[Reti]

Looking for something different?

https://www.cremedevape.com/epages/...=/Shops/yxve46fvrnud/Products/DIY-FIBERCOT-12

Wow. That looks awesome. Have you tried this yourself?

 

[vapervince]

I agree with @vapervince about the numbers. I think we often get to obsessed with numbers and don't think enough about what else is happening inside our attys.

I also agree that the capillary action of the cotton won't really become better on it's own. Having all these nice coils with all their nice shapes and different amount of cores is great when they're all clean and new but then you have to factor in what happens when the gunk starts covering it all up.

With a contact coil, particularly where it has a covering of gunk, there is very little space where the juice can get to the surface except at the two ends. Heat transferrance will heat a certain amount of juice around the sides but almost nothing through the centre between the wraps because of all the metal and gunk covering the cotton.

The lesson there is coil maintenance, I still have a few sets of @Reggiec coils that he did for me last Xmas and they`re still going strong

 

[vapervince]

Yes. Here's what a guy on another forum has said about their safety when I was Googling them...
The "dangers" of silica wicks | E-Cigarette Forum (e-cigarette-forum.com)

Safe apparently. But they shrink when wet rather than swell. But their good part is you can't burn them and dry hits aren't a thing.

There are enough cottons, rayons etc to cater for vapers, why push the limits for no benefits that I can see? You wont burn your wicks out unduly if you stick to sensible wicking and wattages.

 

[Deleted member 54254]

Wow. That looks awesome. Have you tried this yourself?

Yup, i like it.

 

[MarylinC37]

The lesson there is coil maintenance, I still have a few sets of @Reggiec coils that he did for me last Xmas and they`re still going strong

I'm thinking more about single builds and how long it keeps producing good enough quality before it needs any maintenance but you're right that good maintenance will extend the life of your coils for a lot longer. I'm using the pre-made Coilology reels which I'm sure won't last as long as a good hand made coil.

 

[Crispycritters]

About that multi-coil pack. I noticed that some of the coils look just exactly the same as some other ones, despite being named differently. For example, the framed staples looked exactly like a fused clapton and just like a staple. I emailed the shop (SR Vapes) and mentioned this. He called me later in the day and explained that the coils are shit and he checked his other packs and they're the same. He said they're just there for new vapers to pick what kind of coils they like but not to expect anything good. He said they're all machine made, cheap shit coils lol. He said Coilology aren't shit and they have some good coils, but that multi pack isn't good.

I've ordered some nice hand made ones. Just need to wait for them to arrive.
But yes I have noticed some people selling coils on ebay are claiming fused clapton looking ones are aliense. I've ordered some proper handmade aliens from a shop with 100% positive feedback and lot's of sales.

On the 'looking the same' subject - all of the claptoned coils and both the staple and framed staples in that pack look very similar/the same because they all have a flat profile and a claptoned outer wrap. As you can't see the interior of the coil because of the outer wrap they will all seem the same to look at.

i wouldn't label them shit - but they are machined made and generic. Shit coils are like those in the plastic wheel you almost bought. the coilology stuff sits somewhere in the middle along with the similar products from Vandy Vape, Wotofo, etc They aren't of the same quality as most professional hand made coils but they are useful to give you a general idea of what type of coils you prefer before dropping cash on 'pro' level coils.

PS those coilology twin packs of Handmade coils aren't really 'professional' coils either. they certainly aren't shit (I bought 17 packs of them earlier this year when they were on clearance) some were good, some not really better than the generic ones in the multi-packs, but as they were cheap it was worth trying out.

Personally I would slow down on the buying stuff until you have a clearer picture of exactly what you prefer - try the coils you already have(and try vaping each pair for several days at least - if you rebuild every single day it can be hard to keep track of exactly what you like. At the moment I get the feeling you're making the mistake of trying to buy your way into a better vape and shortcutting the experience side of things. I did this and ended up buying loads and loads of stuff that turned out to be of little use.

Sometimes it's better to take a little time to experiment with what you have and, when you have a clearer idea of what you like, what power settings you generally vape at and what resistances/coil material you prefer - then buy the pro level hand made stuff for your favourite atomisers. Sorry - those coilology twin tubs aren't really pro level. they're not bad but the same tubs are sold in A LOT of places so either their coil builder is the must industrious guy in the world or 'hand made' doesn't mean what you think it means - some of them aren't really any better than their generic machine made coils IMO. When you've tried a few and got a clearer picture then it may be worth considering splashing out on hand made stuff.

 

[MarylinC37]

Remember also you're not inhaling the cotton or the metal coil. The flavour comes from the juice.

We can sit around until the cows come home talking about types of coils and cotton we like, what kind of airflow setting we like or what sort of RBA we think is best but I don't think we spend enough time talking about the juice itself and the crucial role it plays in the way it interacts with the cotton and coil to affect the atomising process.

 

[Rob]

Finally!

 

[Reti]

On the 'looking the same' subject - all of the claptoned coils and both the staple and framed staples in that pack look very similar/the same because they all have a flat profile and a claptoned outer wrap. As you can't see the interior of the coil because of the outer wrap they will all seem the same to look at.

i wouldn't label them shit - but they are machined made and generic. Shit coils are like those in the plastic wheel you almost bought. the coilology stuff sits somewhere in the middle along with the similar products from Vandy Vape, Wotofo, etc They aren't of the same quality as most professional hand made coils but they are useful to give you a general idea of what type of coils you prefer before dropping cash on 'pro' level coils.

PS those coilology twin packs of Handmade coils aren't really 'professional' coils either. they certainly aren't shit (I bought 17 packs of them earlier this year when they were on clearance) some were good, some not really better than the generic ones in the multi-packs, but as they were cheap it was worth trying out.

Personally I would slow down on the buying stuff until you have a clearer picture of exactly what you prefer - try the coils you already have(and try vaping each pair for several days at least - if you rebuild every single day it can be hard to keep track of exactly what you like. At the moment I get the feeling you're making the mistake of trying to buy your way into a better vape and shortcutting the experience side of things. I did this and ended up buying loads and loads of stuff that turned out to be of little use.

Sometimes it's better to take a little time to experiment with what you have and, when you have a clearer idea of what you like, what power settings you generally vape at and what resistances/coil material you prefer - then buy the pro level hand made stuff for your favourite atomisers. Sorry - those coilology twin tubs aren't really pro level. they're not bad but the same tubs are sold in A LOT of places so either their coil builder is the must industrious guy in the world or 'hand made' doesn't mean what you think it means - some of them aren't really any better than their generic machine made coils IMO. When you've tried a few and got a clearer picture then it may be worth considering splashing out on hand made stuff.

I didn't mean those were hand made. I mean I bought some handmade coils. So first I've ordered some Goatshead coils, and then I ordered some handmade aliens from an ebay shop with 100% feedback.
I see what you're saying. I'm not trying to buy my way to a better vape. I'm just trying to find different things so that I can settle on one that I like. I just swapped out to a stainless steel mesh coil (as opposed to Kanthal which I had on earlier) and the flavour seems way better. The vapour is cool and the ramp up time seems like 0.

Surely the things that make coils seem so different to each other are the outsides? Like, it's the different notches and indentations that have a different effect on the juice? So while a staple wrapped in the same way as a fused clapton may well heat up differently, the flavour profile will be similar because it's the outside that the juice interacts with?
Looking at photos and what not of genuine handmade coils, a framed staple has some unique identifying features compared to a fused clapton, but they don't exist on these coils in the pack. So if there's no difference on the outside then I'd imagine there'd be little difference to the effect/flavour?
LIke the thing that defines a true alien is the ssss shape in the outside, I'd have thought the thing that defines a framed staple is the weird looking staple look on the outside?

I'm just trying to try different things to work out what I like. I've only ordered a few sets of coils so far. The Goatshead ones and the handmade ones as I want to try some proper coils and not ones that come in a cheap multi pack. The Goatshead ones were reduced from something like £11.99 for a pack of 2 to £1 per pack as they were on clearance. The aliens I ordered were £5 for 2.

EDIT: I think the Goathead ones are for a specific RDA. I'll resell them on ebay if so lol. It was only £1.

Also, what's the deal with a velocity deck? I can get a velocity deck for my tank. Performance wise, how is it different to a dual coil deck?

 

[Reti]

There are enough cottons, rayons etc to cater for vapers, why push the limits for no benefits that I can see? You wont burn your wicks out unduly if you stick to sensible wicking and wattages.

Silica wicks are meant to last a lot longer than wool. Plus with the benefit of no dry hits, it becomes fool proof for a beginner such as myself. There's no harm in trying different things. I'm sure over the years something new will come out and cotton may become obsolete for example. Or a new metal mix of coils might come out and kanthal will go out the window. There's plenty of people out there who swear by Silica wicks and wouldn't go back to anything else. It's personal preference.