Totally wicked court case results.

[paul-7]

"Power to the People" ......... not

 

[bobsbeer]

The opinion does not come as a surprise, and in no way makes any difference to the final outcome of the case, which we won't see till probably around March 2016 or even later going on the speed these things usually take. However we should be neither overjoyed or disheartened by what the judge said. It was as most expected, and only gives the opinion of the head honcho judge on the legal merits of the case. The chances overall for this case have always been slim to nil anyway in my opinion, so we must still work towards the implementation of TPD in the UK, and how we can amend it in our favour. Personally I feel we have no chance whatsoever in getting the UK government to enact anything that goes against or does not implement TPD in full in the UK. We can shout and scream, jump up and down till we're blue in the face, and it will not make a jot of difference. The UK government are not going to go against the EU on this, unlike say prisoners voting rights. So any proposals put forward to the DoH by us vapers will need to be in compliance with TPD.

If anyone thinks voting to leave the EU whenever the vote takes place, will have an impact. Again I think you are barking up the wrong tree. TPD will be so well ingrained in our domestic legislation by the time we leave, if we do I should say, that I seriously doubt the politicians will be arsed changing it 5 years down the road. Vaping and the world will have moved on, that in all likelihood it will be a non issue.

 

[Enoch]

I've read it and its an absolute fucking joke of an opinion. Pretty much the TLDR version is;

1. E-cigs are a novel product, not an anti smoking aid as everyone calls them

2. They can ge a gateway to nicotine addiciton and into tobacco smoking!

3. It is a tobacco product, despite not containing any tobacco in anyway.

4. little is still known about them


So yeah, pretty much the ramblings of an ignorant and (probably) old man who has no idea what they are talking about but pretty much kills vaping off once the judging goes the same way next month.

 

[ossettbob]

I agree that voting to leave the EU will have no impact on vaping. I`m just fed up with "We are the rulers of Europe. You do as we say. We will give no concessions etc. They also keep going on about vaping being a gateway for young ones into smoking as the AG stated. I see lots of kids smoking, but have never seen one vaping !!!

 

[ZT]

The opinion does not come as a surprise, and in no way makes any difference to the final outcome of the case, which we won't see till probably around March 2016 or even later going on the speed these things usually take. However we should be neither overjoyed or disheartened by what the judge said. It was as most expected, and only gives the opinion of the head honcho judge on the legal merits of the case. The chances overall for this case have always been slim to nil anyway in my opinion, so we must still work towards the implementation of TPD in the UK, and how we can amend it in our favour. Personally I feel we have no chance whatsoever in getting the UK government to enact anything that goes against or does not implement TPD in full in the UK. We can shout and scream, jump up and down till we're blue in the face, and it will not make a jot of difference. The UK government are not going to go against the EU on this, unlike say prisoners voting rights. So any proposals put forward to the DoH by us vapers will need to be in compliance with TPD.

If anyone thinks voting to leave the EU whenever the vote takes place, will have an impact. Again I think you are barking up the wrong tree. TPD will be so well ingrained in our domestic legislation by the time we leave, if we do I should say, that I seriously doubt the politicians will be arsed changing it 5 years down the road. Vaping and the world will have moved on, that in all likelihood it will be a non issue.

I agree with what you say - its not gonna stop me signing or voting to leave the EU though ...

what this highlights (which I already knew) to me is that the EU puts more emphasis on Big Business and Nanny state dictatorialness than it does on the welfare, well being and above all (for me) personal liberty of its inhabitants.

regardless of what happens with vaping - my vote will be against the EU

 

[dw1986]

I agree with what you say - its not gonna stop me signing or voting to leave the EU though ...

what this highlights (which I already new) to me is that the EU puts more emphasis on Big Business and Nanny state dictatorialness than it does on the welfare, well being and above all (for me) personal liberty of its inhabitants.

regardless of what happens with vaping - my vote will be against the EU

Exactly this, even pre-TPD I was struggling to see the merits of remaining in a corrupt Brussels based dictatorship that upon further research, we benefit very little from and contribute far more than what we get back in return. I'm another that is voting out of the EU, fed up with decision after decision based on what is financially best for the EU being made for us by a cabal of bent, greedy cunts without us having a single say on it.

Methinks its POTV protest time- we are going down, that is certain, we may as well go down kicking and screaming and make some fuckin noise about it....

 

[scrumpox]

That's a tad disappointing ... still, I quite fancied a bit of civil disobedience. This will have about the same shock value as wearing odd socks though given how apathetic vapers are.
100k signatures? Not enough traction ...

 

[bobsbeer]

The EU is certainly a strange beast when it comes to citizen rights v big business. Take roaming charges for instance. That legislation is clearly aimed at consumers getting a better deal from big business. They have done the same against airlines. So it makes you wonder why they seem to have flipped on this one. My reading on this isn't that they have sided with big business, but sided with paranoia around smoking. We do have to acknowledge that we vapers are a very small minority of EU citizens, and while I don't agree with the restrictions in TPD, the vast majority of EU citizens if asked about it, will in all likelihood agree with them. Yes out of ignorance, and yes out of of general anti smoking paranoia.

 

[Rob]

I think that we need to be patient and see exactly what will be launched at us before we all get too down in the mouth. I am not over enamoured with the EU per se and agree that we don't appear to benefit in proportion to that which we lay out, but that's for another day........... Disappointing perhaps, but I shall join with @scrumpox in his crusade and will only wear odd socks..... if any at all!!

 

[billy_idle]

Forgive me for being pessimistic, but when the new laws are up and running and people realise they can't buy stuff they need anymore all over the country, we will see just how apathetic people are in even bigger numbers. This world has turned to shyte.

edit: Happy Fecking Christmas