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[Jd_]

But if the law isn't in place there is no law to break.

DPA and GDPR were never written to cope with a pandemic so this is a unique situation.

You could say the same about the Data Protection Act. It was never written to cope with internet shopping because hardly anyone shopped online back in 1998 and it's taken until last year to get the GDPR to try to close all the loopholes to do with internet traffic.

Normally the police can access payroll and payment details if they have a warrant but now you have a virus thrown into the mix.

Because you need people to cooperate with contact tracing you have to write the laws to make sure the police cannot breach the confidentiality of the information given or you won't get enough trust from the public to make the contact system effective.

I think the police should be held much more accountable for breaking the spirit of the agreement even tho there is no law yet, just because of how important it is, it outweighs solving a case, even a murder case. Possibly the only thing it wouldnt outweigh is preventing a violent crime from occurring, in which case they would probably be able to get a warrant anyway if they had enough evidence to want info from a particular list.

 

[ForestMagpie]

But if the law isn't in place there is no law to break.

DPA and GDPR were never written to cope with a pandemic so this is a unique situation.

You could say the same about the Data Protection Act. It was never written to cope with internet shopping because hardly anyone shopped online back in 1998 and it's taken until last year to get the GDPR to try to close all the loopholes to do with internet traffic.

Normally the police can access payroll and payment details if they have a warrant but now you have a virus thrown into the mix.

Because you need people to cooperate with contact tracing you have to write the laws to make sure the police cannot breach the confidentiality of the information given or you won't get enough trust from the public to make the contact system effective.

The law IS in place, GDPR covers data protection. Just because Covid has appeared doesn't mean that law doesn't exist, it makes clear provisions for storing private data. Yes Covid is different but if you start making provisions for emerging situations and saying that this is different that is different, the law doesn't cover that then you give a government a way to excuse themselves and break the law. The law exists, it's implementation is a different thing, if they cannot find a way to implement it then they cannot just go ahead and open things up or they are flouting the law. If we concede here then how many other concessions are you willing to give up in the name of covid? Are you willing for them to do whatever they like because this is different? Where does it end? The law on data is clear, if you cannot abide by the law then then you cannot open. You can not pick and choose which laws apply during covid and which do not.
The Police do not need a warrant to access private data, they just need to show they need it under PACE, which if they want to they can make happen (I've seen it happen).

 

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That's me fucked

 

[ForestMagpie]

I think the police should be held much more accountable for breaking the spirit of the agreement even tho there is no law yet, just because of how important it is, it outweighs solving a case, even a murder case. Possibly the only thing it wouldnt outweigh is preventing a violent crime from occurring, in which case they would probably be able to get a warrant anyway if they had enough evidence to want info from a particular list.

Again, the law IS in place. If a business cannot implement it, they should not be allowed to open. It's not that complicated.

 

[ForestMagpie]

That's me fucked

Guess there's a first time for everything

 

[MarylinC37]

Well I haven't read the DPA or GDPR but I would be very surprised if contact tracing was mentioned anywhere within them which makes me question whether the laws are in place. They will not apply to contract tracing unless they say they do.

 

[Jd_]

Again, the law IS in place. If a business cannot implement it, they should not be allowed to open. It's not that complicated.

I still think the police should bear the brunt of the blame in those circumstances tho. They know the law, they shouldnt be trying to skirt around it. It shouldnt have to be up to a small business owner to have to stand up to them.

In the cases where employees r calling customers thats just silly. Those cases, yeah, that business should be fined or shut down until they can comply

 

[ForestMagpie]

They are not mentioned specifically but thats it really relevant. If you make exemptions to the law for covid, what other exemptions can you make? Anyway, the ICO makes it pretty clear that you must comply with DPA/GDPR. It's just a data collection exercise.
https://ico.org.uk/global/data-prot...omer-and-visitor-details-for-contact-tracing/

 

[ForestMagpie]

I still think the police should bear the brunt of the blame in those circumstances tho. They know the law, they shouldnt be trying to skirt around it. It shouldnt have to be up to a small business owner to have to stand up to them.

In the cases where employees r calling customers thats just silly. Those cases, yeah, that business should be fined or shut down until they can comply

So if you set up a business you shouldn't know the laws around what your business does? You can do whatever you want as it's up to the police to know? If you setup a business you absolutely should know the law governing what you do. Otherwise can I seek alcohol to minors and blame the police for not stopping me?

 

[Hamish McTaxi]

There's been a huge increase in celebrities in the pubs round my way lately

No worries.
Not sure you got the point of my post.
It was about all the Micky Mouse names people would be leaving as contact details.

LOL, Mickey Mouse signed one of my delivery notes, many years ago.

I dont go to pubs as it means i have to be with other people.

I don't leave the house, for the same reason.

Homosapians are the real corona virus, destroying their environment, eliminating other species, and not giving a flying chuff about anything other than their own personal bubble.

The reasons for collecting contact details are legitiimate enough because of the pandemic but the main issue is about trust that the information won't be misused. Therefore, it should have been written into the regulations that the data must be protected and stored safely just like payroll, payment details or other kinds of personal information.

Being a pandemic, it's important to keep people willing to comply with it to reduce the spread so even the police should not be able to ask for it so the confidentiality of covid contact details needs to be protected by law with suitable punishments.

You trust governments?

Seeing as this thread has slightly changed direction what do you think about having to do this in the first place?

Covid obviously spreads in pubs.........

Necessary evil.

If you don't like it, get pissed at home, and invite your mates / social bubbles, or whatever the fuck the government deems socially acceptable.

They ain't checking, not enough staff, so do whatever the fuck you want, or deem socially responsible.

I didn't start this thread to negate the reason for leaving details, I was in concerned that the various establishments, and indeed the police according to the article, might be misusing the data. Under GDPR we need clear rules, for everyone's safety?

Negate is a most unused term.

Needs to be in wider circulation, well done @Crewella.

I answered your question in my earlier post.

Others have diverted the thread.

It's something the government needs to get a grip on to tighten the regulations so they make sure covid data is securely stored and only used for contact tracing. Even the police shouldn't get access or people won't cooperate the way they need.

I do not trust the government with anything pertaining to IT, nor...anything else, come to that.

Same goes for any other government.

Are we getting to the stage where we will have to leave contact details everywhere we go ?
If so this is getting really Orweilian.
If this happen then i will just stay indoors and lock myself away, maybe that is their intentions.

It's already happened dude, your mobile is a tracker.

Stay at home, safest option.

So what happens if you have no mobile, not receiving benefits and are homeless ?

You're invisible. Woo-hoo!

Daffy already drank too much. Piss head.
I don't see it as too difficult really, if you cant get the proper rules in place to comply with the law then you don't open. They've had months from the start of the lockdown to prepare but they haven't done.

Can have as many rules or laws on the statute books as you like, without the necessary policing force to enforce them, they are negated...shout out to @Crewella...

I'd say you need to get out more but I think that phrase has been made redundant.

Or negated?

I love a good scam, me - they make me laugh. He (naturally) got caught in the end, but he really was a bit of a genius at it. One day I'll bore you shitless with the stories.

Please do... popcorn...