Two million vapers might not be a good thing :(

[thomasapdewi]

http://www.ash.org.uk/files/documents/ASH_891.pdf‎
1.3 million.

To be honest, I haven't seen any real calls for a UK ban, so I can't see what the article is getting at.

Honestly? I suspect it's satire.

 

[Muck777]

Honestly? I suspect it's satire.

Possibly. Satire doesn't come across very well on the internet sometimes.

 

[stumpey]

wasn't there a pole on the forum to see who vapes only or vapes and still smokes ciggies . With so many members this would give a good indication

Tried hunting for it but no luck.... but then my brains cells jumped ship many years ago

 

[VaperCaper]

I'm not sure about this. As a militant smoker I used to have fun with people who would tell me how much we smokers were costing the NHS. I then trotted out the figures for the NHS treatment vs tobacco tax revenue raised that year. The cost to the NHS was 1.9 billion and the tax raised was 13.3 billion. I then demanded a rebate from the non-smoker!

If you really crunch the numbers i) it's a very complicated question to answer and ii) I think it comes out about even.

On the costs side for smoking you have:

• costs to NHS
• lost income taxes from people dying/becoming too ill to work before their time
• extra payouts from welfare to people who can no longer work
• costs from fires started by tobacco smokng
• lost time from workers taking smoke breaks (which is really hard to quantify objectively)

On the flipside:

• increased pension costs from people living longer
• costs to NHS of other illnesses that people will get from old age, instead of smoking related diseases

I've probably missed some stuff but whether smokers contribute more than they cost is very difficult to say one way or the other.

VAT doesn't really count as if you don't spend the money on smokes, chances are you'll spend it on something else that VAT is paid on anyway.

I reckon in a couple of years there will be a vaping "sin tax" maybe sooner. Quite what they can justify it for is another question.

And to answer the OP. No, more is better, the more people who vape, or who know a vaper who's enjoying their life much better now then the less likely that the politicians can impose bad regulation on us.

 

[knome]

I reckon in a couple of years there will be a vaping "sin tax" maybe sooner. Quite what they can justify it for is another question.

The eighth and ninth deadly sins: Renormalisation and Gateway.

 

[roccoweld]

The cold hard fact is the government is losing money, & they're going to come looking for it soon.

 

[vaporsizer]

http://controversiality.com/2014/04/28/the-real-reason-electronic-cigarettes-need-to-be-banned/

Basically, 2 million vapers means billions in lost revenue, and the government is going to notice soon.

 

[Abyss]

The British government needs as much money as they can get £££££££. It cost a lot of money instigating coup d'états all over the Middle East, North Africa and in Ukraine.



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[madpiano]

Cigarettes are taxed twice. They have tobacco tax slapped on (the excise duty part) and then Vat on the whole amount. The excise part is the bit the government keeps raising each year. Smokers are a cash cow for them. If they wanted to kill smoking or make the country tobacco free, they would just ban cigarettes. But by raising excise duty they just get more money while looking like to good guy. And smokers pay as they are addicted. Suddenly we find this device called an ecig and now all their plans go out the window. Some VAT, but nothing else. And the more they raise the duty, the more people switch. Suddenly the thumb screws are off. Now what?
If they can't figure out a way to tax Vaping, they are screwed. So let's ban it.

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