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Unravelling the TPD, A vapers attempt to understand article 20.

Tubbyengineer

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OK so ahead of the Full implementation in May, and following the release of the Governments response to the consultation document I thought I'd take a crack at understanding exactly what the TPD article 20 means for vapers.

All the conclusions are based on MY reading of the TPD and are therefore quite possibly incorrect. I'd welcome other peoples views and as much discussion as possible.
It's also worth bearing in mind that although the TPD's rules are set out already - How it's implemented and enforced will depend both on the goverments stance, it's willingness to fund enforcment, the actual quality of any enforcment and any case law that results from said enforcement.

So first - Mods.
From reading the Part 6 Regulation 30, Notification of new products and 6:36 Product requirements, It appears that any Mod must be notified 6 months before it's release, for modifications of an existing Mod or other device it simply states thet it must be "Before the modified product is supplied" (6:32-2a)

There don't appear to be any real restrictions on mods other than the Notification Requirement.

Atomisers.
This again falls under (6:30) as well as (6:36), Clearomisers and RTA's and don't appear to have any serious restrictions - Only prefilled Tanks / Cartridges (Like the Vype E-pen ones) are restricted to 2ml size. They do have the requirement to supply a consistent dose of nicotine under normal use - but that's pretty much the idea behind any atomiser anyway (A consistent vape)
There is also the requirement that "The product be protected against breakage and leakage". Now this is a difficult one, will it mean the end of glass tanks like the Subtank in favour of tanks with small viewing windows?, it may also mean that drippers are deemed unsuitable - although it would be argued that a properly used dripper won't leak as the juice will be contained in the wick

E-liquid
This is a big one, and one that everyone knows - No bottles over 10ml and nothing stronger than 20mg - there are other requirements too - mostly to do with purity and additives but they are for manufactureres not vapers. As far as I can tell there is NOT going to be a restriction on Nic base - It is NOT "Nicotine containing liquid" but an ingredient thereof. All the diluents etc will be covered under the same product purity regulations as juice itself but this shouldn't make a difference as we already use Pharme grade VG & PG.

Events
This is a bit of a murky area and one I'm not terribly sure of, but as far as I can tell Events like Vapefest will be allowed as long as they don't have cross border effects or take place in several EU States, Distance sales are allowed so whether this would allow EU vendors to attend events like vapefest I can't tell and I think it would need a legal expert to advise

Advertising
Basically a No No, posters etc inside shops would be allowed but TV, Radio, Internet ads are banned.

Reviews
Reviews Should be fine I quote from the UK Govenments plans laid out in this document - https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...bacco-products-directive-proposals-for-uk-law
"Similarly, a line has to be drawn between information and advertising. The Directive draws the line by using the word ‘promote’, which we intend to copy. This would mean that where information is provided that gives detail about a product, or how to operate that product, but is not ‘promotional’ in nature, the restrictions would not apply."
This means that as long as a review doesn't "Promote" but simply informs the it would be free of restriction.
 
A crazy person might argue that nic' base is nicotine-containing liquid. VG or PG being the liquid, with nicotine being contained within.
 
"As far as I can tell there is NOT going to be a restriction on Nic base - It is NOT "Nicotine containing liquid" but an ingredient thereof."

Hope your right.
 
can see a lot of what your saying but being a glass half empty type i naturally think it might get a bit more tricky myself,although i hope im wrong.

On the nic base thing i have to agree with the two posters above,imo its nic contained in a liquid. that being said im not sure how the tpd line reads if it reads "Nicotine containing liquid" then i would count nic base into that definition, if it reads "Nicotine containing E liquid" then i can see workarounds.
 
A crazy person might argue that nic' base is nicotine-containing liquid. VG or PG being the liquid, with nicotine being contained within.
that's what I was thinking too. If they want to be complete asswipes it's anything except crystalline nicotine lol.
 
Tubby, with this reasoned argument I won't have an excuse for buying shit I don't need but really want!

Cheers man, ruined my day! Lol
 
A crazy person might argue that nic' base is nicotine-containing liquid. VG or PG being the liquid, with nicotine being contained within.
This is true, It's just my reading of it - the whole thing is fairly fuzzy and this may be one of those things that ends up being decided by case law, but I'm basing my judgement on the fact that all references to nicotine containing liquid refer to the liquid you would find in "Refill Containers" or "Single use cartridges or Tanks" or in other words the actual liquid you would vape - not Nic Base...
 
Does nic base not come in all sorts of strengths, including strengths that could easily be vaped.
I am thinking of the ones marketed for easy mixing, the just add flavour type.
I can not see a dividing line between stuff that everyone knows will be banned and the stuff we as a group are not agreed on.

I can see the logic in both positions and perhaps it does come down to the individuals position on the glass half empty/full scale , rather than the individuals understanding of reading English scentences.

Personally I think the glass half full position requires a belief that the authorities are happy to leave open glaring loopholes, which of course may well be the case, I am sure that plenty of people are motivated to exploit any loopholes that exist, for me it is an open question as to whether they will let us get away with it in the longer term.
 
"Fuzzy" Mr Tubby,you ain't kidding,it's fuzzier than a 1970s porn stars bush,it makes my head hurt, all we want is it explained in plain good old fashioned English :doh::hmm: .....
 
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