what caused the surge in new cases?

[TheLiqidator]

That's the problem " for a while " there is no for a while . We either let this thing mutate down and burn out or hide forever or until a vaccine that could be years away is found .

And it could be found by January, people who are just saying "fuck it I'm not changing anything" increase the spread and means others are at higher risk. We can't all just go about our business as normal but if we all limit what we do it allows everyone to have a certain amount of normality versus those who chose not to give a fuck doing what they want and those who do give a fuck having to put themselves back in to a self imposed lockdown to avoid selfish people carrying on as normal.

 

[zouzounaki]

students are a big factor in it. travelling about the country, sharing small flats with 6 or 8 people, parties, lectures, reckless shagging etc.

 

[andipandi]

So just let idiots do what they want, when they want and increase the spread to the point that people who are doing the right thing and keep the spread as low as possible are more at risk due to other people's selfishness and not being able to limit what they do for while? Look at the restrictions, they're not exactly hard to comply with.

This is a post about our Government then, they've really lead by example, subsidsed scoffing, driving round checking their eyesight, their birds and even a young baby son flying off on holiday, fucking everything up from ppe to track and trace, giving billions and billions of pounds to their mates, to be spent on failed projects and procurement schemes. Madness, total madness, from the top down.

Guess I need to supply some sort of answer, try a National Unity Government, an all party coalition, we are after all, all but on a war footing. Might as well get started now, before anarchy sets in, it's setting in nicely amongst the Tories already. We need more than lock the old chunts up and blame the students and young people. It'll be us next to blame, our dodgy vaping.

 

[TheLiqidator]

This is a post about our Government then, they've really lead by example, subsidsed scoffing, driving round checking your eyesight, their birds and even a young baby son flying off on holiday, fucking everything up from ppe to track and trace, giving billions and billions of pounds to their mates, to be spent on failed projects and procurement schemes. Madness, total madness, from the top down.

Guess I need to supply some sort of answer, try a National Unity Government, an all party coalition, we are after all, all but on a war footing. Might as well get started now, before anarchy sets in, it's setting in nicely amongst the Tories already. We need more than lock the old chunts up and blame the students and young people. It'll be us next to blame, our dodgy vaping.

The only people you can give any sort of blame too, if blame is even needed, are people just carrying on as normal. There's people all ages doing that.

I've cancelled nights out that up here weren't allowed but would have been okay down south. Then a few days later seen people clearly in groups bigger than I would have been in all sitting and drinking together. I get the other side of the argument too, I want to get back to normal as soon as possible too but that's just selfish. The more people do a little less, the more people can get to do a little bit more.

 

[burnt fingers]

And it could be found by January, people who are just saying "fuck it I'm not changing anything" increase the spread and means others are at higher risk. We can't all just go about our business as normal but if we all limit what we do it allows everyone to have a certain amount of normality versus those who chose not to give a fuck doing what they want and those who do give a fuck having to put themselves back in to a self imposed lockdown to avoid selfish people carrying on as normal.

There will be no vaccine by January , we have already had vaccine by " September, November, Christmas " January will join the gang too . The "cures" so far even in their projected finished working final ready to go stage they so far have a less than 50% efficiency with a decent possibility of having as much or more risk of adverse side effects as getting the virus itself has . The much publicised Astrazenica/Oxford trials have been far from trouble free and not particularly effective ...which has been less publicised , maybe you have noticed the silence around that vaccine recently , quite the change from a few months ago .
Those at the highest risk have zero normality right now , they are still in lockdown ,and will be in that situation for a very very long time if we continue to sit , wait and do nothing . As what we are doing right now is hiding our heads in the sand and making no progress . Let the virus run its course in as humane and controlled manner as possible , but with free choice at the heart of people's decisions . Call them stupid idiots as you will , this is a war against an enemy , meat for the grinder is required , feed in enough meat and we might win this one , either by herd immunity or better yet speeding up it's downward mutation . These viruses usually become more infections but less deadly as they go , so far that gamble looks like the best chance we have of speeding up a return to normality. More people treated with the virus will equal better treatments and those are showing promising results . Vaccines for these types of diseases are notoriously difficult , the fastest we ever created a vaccine was for mumps , that took four years !

 

[zouzounaki]

The only people you can give any sort of blame too, if blame is even needed, are people just carrying on as normal

na, you can blame the government as well.

 

[TheLiqidator]

There will be no vaccine by January , we have already had vaccine by " September, November, Christmas " January will join the gang too . The "cures" so far even in their projected finished working final ready to go stage they so far have a less than 50% efficiency with a decent possibility of having as much or more risk of adverse side effects as getting the virus itself has . The much publicised Astrazenica/Oxford trials have been far from trouble free and not particularly effective ...which has been less publicised , maybe you have noticed the silence around that vaccine recently , quite the change from a few months ago .
Those at the highest risk have zero normality right now , they are still in lockdown ,and will be in that situation for a very very long time if we continue to sit , wait and do nothing . As what we are doing right now is hiding our heads in the sand and making no progress . Let the virus run its course in as humane and controlled manner as possible , but with free choice at the heart of people's decisions . Call them stupid idiots as you will , this is a war against an enemy , meat for the grinder is required , feed in enough meat and we might win this one , either by herd immunity or better yet speeding up it's downward mutation . These viruses usually become more infections but less deadly as they go , so far that gamble looks like the best chance we have of speeding up a return to normality. More people treated with the virus will equal better treatments and those are showing promising results . Vaccines for these types of diseases are notoriously difficult , the fastest we ever created a vaccine was for mumps , that took four years !

Nobody can say for certain how long a vaccine will be, or something better to treat the worst off will take to be developed. Until then, if you're just carrying on as usual and consciously making a decision not to take any preventative action to lower your risk of catching it or spreading then that's not a choice the effects just you, it would then effect anyone that you then effect and anyone further down the chain that becomes infected. It may be your choice to make but when the results of your choice effects others it would then make it a selfish choice to just carry on as normal and as you say willingly throw meat in the grinder.

 

[TheLiqidator]

na, you can blame the government as well.

I think that's just taken pretty much for granted now, they've fucked it so badly I've became numb to it and forgot to even mention them as it's just a given now.

 

[Badboybez]

Now I am not an expert, but I think a virus caused it.


Stay Lucky

 

[burnt fingers]

Nobody can say for certain how long a vaccine will be, or something better to treat the worst off will take to be developed. Until then, if you're just carrying on as usual and consciously making a decision not to take any preventative action to lower your risk of catching it or spreading then that's not a choice the effects just you, it would then effect anyone that you then effect and anyone further down the chain that becomes infected. It may be your choice to make but when the results of your choice effects others it would then make it a selfish choice to just carry on as normal and as you say willingly throw meat in the grinder.

If we look at it as a war .
We have had war declared upon us by an enemy .
In past examples of war , were those out fighting in the trenches seen as selfish idiots because by their actions of attrition over capitulation ,bombs were dropped on the homeland ?