what caused the surge in new cases?

[TheLiqidator]

If we look at it as a war .
We have had war declared upon us by an enemy .
In past examples of war , were those out fighting in the trenches seen as selfish idiots because by their actions of attrition over capitulation ,bombs were dropped on the homeland ?

That comparison is just wrong. To compare people that are out doing what they want and when they want without thinking about the effect on others to soldiers? Seriously? Are we to respect these great heros, out there spreading the virus for us, doing as they please, when they please, how they please and with who they please? If they come in to contact with someone and heroically pass the virus on to someone that it then goes on to kill, then they are a casualty of war? Or is that just meat to the grinder although even though it could have been avoided? Or was a Covid bomb just dropped on them, so that would make the people doing what they want the enemy?

 

[burnt fingers]

That comparison is just wrong. To compare people that are out doing what they want and when they want without thinking about the effect on others to soldiers? Seriously? Are we to respect these great heros, out there spreading the virus for us, doing as they please, when they please, how they please and with who they please? If they come in to contact with someone and heroically pass the virus on to someone that it then goes on to kill, then they are a casualty of war? Or is that just meat to the grinder although even though it could have been avoided? Or was a Covid bomb just dropped on them, so that would make the people doing what they want the enemy?

Well all I hear from the do nothing and hide crowd is many opinions and zero solutions that can be implemented . Sit and wait ....for something that might happen is not a solution . Yes people will die , people are dying from cancer due to covid , heart disease due to covid , suicide due to covid , hunger and poverty due to covid ...and from covid , dying is our one sure fire thing we have , having a choice is another thing we should have . Many people have no choice but to be out there , the key workers of the country the medical staff , the doctors , paramedics , police , firebrigade , supermarket staff , warehouse staff, infrastructure workers , electricians , plumbers , gas engineers ....the guy from Uber delivering a McDonalds . There is no fair in this .
If doing what we want to keep society moving and functional in a normal way is the how to fight it, to go out with the tens of thousands already out there who have no choice but to be out there , then the comparison is valid .

 

[TheLiqidator]

Well all I hear from the do nothing and hide crowd is many opinions and zero solutions that can be implemented . Sit and wait ....for something that might happen is not a solution . Yes people will die , people are dying from cancer due to covid , heart disease due to covid , suicide due to covid , hunger and poverty due to covid ...and from covid , dying is our one sure fire thing we have , having a choice is another thing we should have . Many people have no choice but to be out there , the key workers of the country the medical staff , the doctors , paramedics , police , firebrigade , supermarket staff , warehouse staff, infrastructure workers , electricians , plumbers , gas engineers ....the guy from Uber delivering a McDonalds . There is no fair in this .
If doing what we want to keep society moving and functional in a normal way is the how to fight it, to go out with the tens of thousands already out there who have no choice but to be out there , then the comparison is valid .

You've completely ignored my point there, I never mentioned people out doing essential work to keep things moving. I'm only talking about people who are purposefully just carrying on as normal and deliberately ignoring anything that impacts them. If you think about your analogy, there was a massive lockdown during the war was there not? If people just ignored that back then and headed down to wetherspoons, kept the light on and basically just painted a big here we are, come and get us sign on the country then how many more people would have died as a direct result of decisions made by other people?

 

[burnt fingers]

You've completely ignored my point there, I never mentioned people out doing essential work to keep things moving. I'm only talking about people who are purposefully just carrying on as normal and deliberately ignoring anything that impacts them. If you think about your analogy, there was a massive lockdown during the war was there not? If people just ignored that back then and headed down to wetherspoons, kept the light on and basically just painted a big here we are, come and get us sign on the country then how many more people would have died as a direct result of decisions made by other people?

That's the free choice element , those who wish to stay at home and switch off the lights can do so , think of them as the evacuated to the countryside . Those who volunteer to carry on can also do so alongside those who already have by way of their jobs volunteered. I work for an infrastructure company so I am out and about as normal , I meet loads of people every day across London and further afield . I will be in a meeting in East London on Tuesday , week after that 3 days in a power station in Leeds . A meeting with an engineering firm in Shropshire , another in Hampshire a few days after that . I will be in and out shops , service stations , cafes , restaurants all day every day . Interaction with loads of people , crossing paths with thousands . My choice to continue to work , I could quit , I could hide ...I won't .

 

[burnt fingers]

And if I am out there , doing a job that keeps trains running , sewers flowing , lights on in homes and factories . Out there working as normal doing the engineering that keeps everything going all week . Keeps the economy afloat and everything running for those out there with me , and those sitting at home oblivious to the work that's required to keep everything running . Who exactly has the right to tell me I can't go to the pub , cinema or whatever I want to do at the weekend to relax if the staff of those places are willing to be open to serve me ? People sitting at home complaining with no solution but more sitting at home ?

 

[TheLiqidator]

That's the free choice element , those who wish to stay at home and switch off the lights can do so , think of them as the evacuated to the countryside . Those who volunteer to carry on can also do so alongside those who already have by way of their jobs volunteered. I work for an infrastructure company so I am out and about as normal , I meet loads of people every day across London and further afield . I will be in a meeting in East London on Tuesday , week after that 3 days in a power station in Leeds . A meeting with an engineering firm in Shropshire , another in Hampshire a few days after that . I will be in and out shops , service stations , cafes , restaurants all day every day . Interaction with loads of people , crossing paths with thousands . My choice to continue to work , I could quit , I could hide ...I won't .

I'm not saying you shouldn't work, you've again missed my point entirely. You going to other places and staying within the very limited restrictions in place isn't going to be a comparable risk to someone just constantly doing as they please and how they please. Having house parties, going out in unnecessary crowds, not having any kind of social distancing. That's who we're talking about here, is it not? Anyone doing that is making a choice that effects others, they spread it, more people catch it and somewhere in the chain of infection it goes to someone that it kills. If that's a death that could have been avoided, it's one that should have been but to you just one more meat o the grinder? Selfish bastards as far as I'm concerned. If they're so happy to catch it, let's use them as volunteers to be injected with it then?

 

[burnt fingers]

That's the free choice element , those who wish to stay at home and switch off the lights can do so , think of them as the evacuated to the countryside . Those who volunteer to carry on can also do so alongside those who already have by way of their jobs volunteered. I work for an infrastructure company so I am out and about as normal , I meet loads of people every day across London and further afield . I will be in a meeting in East London on Tuesday , week after that 3 days in a power station in Leeds . A meeting with an engineering firm in Shropshire , another in Hampshire a few days after that . I will be in and out shops , service stations , cafes , restaurants all day every day . Interaction with loads of people , crossing paths with thousands . My choice to continue to work , I could quit , I could hide ...I won't .

I'm not saying you shouldn't work, you've again missed my point entirely. You going to other places and staying within the very limited restrictions in place isn't going to be a comparable risk to someone just constantly doing as they please and how they please. Having house parties, going out in unnecessary crowds, not having any kind of social distancing. That's who we're talking about here, is it not? Anyone doing that is making a choice that effects others, they spread it, more people catch it and somewhere in the chain of infection it goes to someone that it kills. If that's a death that could have been avoided, it's one that should have been but to you just one more meat o the grinder? Selfish bastards as far as I'm concerned. If they're so happy to catch it, let's use them as volunteers to be injected with it then?

I am not staying within the very limited restrictions , we can't , our jobs don't work in the limited restrictions . We take the risk , everyone of us , every surface we touch , every person we meet is another jump on the percentile risk . All week every week . If some people say , hey I am also willing to take the risks to open the cinemas and restaurants and bars as normal so you guys can have a normal weekend after a tough week at work . Let them carry on I say , thank you very much .

 

[TheLiqidator]

And if I am out there , doing a job that keeps trains running , sewers flowing , lights on in homes and factories . Out there working as normal doing the engineering that keeps everything going all week . Keeps the economy afloat and everything running for those out there with me , and those sitting at home oblivious to the work that's required to keep everything running . Who exactly has the right to tell me I can't go to the pub , cinema or whatever I want to do at the weekend to relax if the staff of those places are willing to be open to serve me ? People sitting at home complaining with no solution but more sitting at home ?

You're over personalizing it here, we all have jobs. I've made massive changes to my usual way of working as have millions of people. To say that then look at your reasons for justifying it, need to leave the pub earlier, cinema opening times? That's fuck all, that's your tiny part to play in it.

 

[TheLiqidator]

I am not staying within the very limited restrictions , we can't , our jobs don't work in the limited restrictions . We take the risk , everyone of us , every surface we touch , every person we meet is another jump on the percentile risk . All week every week . If some people say , hey I am also willing to take the risks to open the cinemas and restaurants and bars as normal so you guys can have a normal weekend after a tough week at work . Let them carry on I say , thank you very much .

All I read there was me, me, me, me.

 

[burnt fingers]

You're over personalizing it here, we all have jobs. I've made massive changes to my usual way of working as have millions of people. To say that then look at your reasons for justifying it, need to leave the pub earlier, cinema opening times? That's fuck all, that's your tiny part to play in it.

But why should we , nobody is forcing anyone into a pub or cinema . Nobody needs to go if they don't want to . They can stay at home , dig a hole in the garden and climb in if they want . I keep missing your point because you don't have one , other than people will die , well that's going to happen anyway .