what caused the surge in new cases?

[TheLiqidator]

Yup correct its impossible , certainly for anyone who is out there working and mixing with the world right now . I might have picked it up from the dairy aisle in Sainsbury's today . Which is why I don't see the point in rules of six ...there was definitely more than six people in that aisle today .

Yeah that's what I do , I give them a hug , I sit them down ,take their hands in mine and explain it slowly while heavy breathing on them ...FFS your really clutching ain't you lol .


Seems like the same question again ...I will use first answer again for that one .

I'm clutching? You are the one ignoring what I'm saying because there's no answer.

I've never mentioned the stupid rule of 6, I don't agree with that and can't understand how they've got away with it.

You're just making light of the point I'm making to try and make it sound like I'm saying something I'm not now.

I'm not saying we shouldn't be working just now. I'm talking about wilfully and consciously just saying fuck you to everyone else which is how you started off. You were saying basically let everyone do as they please and whatever will be, will be. That's what my issue was, we cant just throw meat on your grinder that isn't needed just to let people have a bit more fun. That's how you started off.

Go back and read what you said first tonight, then what you said last. You're just contradicting yourself now.

 

[zouzounaki]

I see my thread has gone a little astray

aye, it’s taken a strange turn.

 

[burnt fingers]

I'm clutching? You are the one ignoring what I'm saying because there's no answer.

I've never mentioned the stupid rule of 6, I don't agree with that and can't understand how they've got away with it.

You're just making light of the point I'm making to try and make it sound like I'm saying something I'm not now.

I'm not saying we shouldn't be working just now. I'm talking about wilfully and consciously just saying fuck you to everyone else which is how you started off. You were saying basically let everyone do as they please and whatever will be, will be. That's what my issue was, we cant just throw meat on your grinder that isn't needed just to let people have a bit more fun. That's how you started off.

Go back and read what you said first tonight, then what you said last. You're just contradicting yourself now.

Nope , not contradictory , not in the slightest. Once again your clutching at individual words and sentences . You want us to follow the rules . By defacto that means the rule of six . I still think we should be free to choose to stay isolated or carry on working as normal or indeed having fun. Freedom of choice to take our chances , let those who want to isolate do so . Yes it will be meat in the grinder voluntary and involuntary . I have not in any way contradicted that or backed down from it . There are ways it could be done , restaurants for non isolation , other ones who choose to continue the rules. Introduce choice and freedom for business , you don't want to take that risk , get a delivery instead . Why do you want me to say it again and again ? ...you complain about the same answers , so stop asking the same questions . If you can get your answer from my previous posts , why don't you do that ?

 

[vapesmarter]

Nope , not contradictory , not in the slightest. Once again your clutching at individual words and sentences . You want us to follow the rules . By defacto that means the rule of six . I still think we should be free to choose to stay isolated or carry on working as normal or indeed having fun. Freedom of choice to take our chances , let those who want to isolate do so . Yes it will be meat in the grinder voluntary and involuntary . I have not in any way contradicted that or backed down from it . There are ways it could be done , restaurants for non isolation , other ones who choose to continue the rules. Introduce choice and freedom for business , you don't want to take that risk , get a delivery instead . Why do you want me to say it again and again ? ...you complain about the same answers , so stop asking the same questions . If you can get your answer from my previous posts , why don't you do that ?

I'm going to step in again

I can understand you wish to have freedom of choice and have fun take risks but if you get sick will you be admitted hospital so myself or my colleagues can help you live or survive if you contracted COVID even though you disagree with the rules and if we expand that by thousands of others all doing the same at what point do you think it is fair that I should risk my health and others, to help you and the thousands of people who disagree with the rules to continue to live a life of no restriction because you disagree with some rules

 

[TheLiqidator]

I see my thread has gone a little astray

I was coming home last night I finished early (10 hours) and drove past my local spar (in a tiny border town) outside, is about 10 young adults it's 10.15 two came out with two big cases of beer none wore masks no social distancing to most that's their problem but it's not you miss the picture if one has covid 19 they pass it onto to the others who then take it home to give mom dad gran etc ok that's fine too because hey

Nope , not contradictory , not in the slightest. Once again your clutching at individual words and sentences . You want us to follow the rules . By defacto that means the rule of six . I still think we should be free to choose to stay isolated or carry on working as normal or indeed having fun. Freedom of choice to take our chances , let those who want to isolate do so . Yes it will be meat in the grinder voluntary and involuntary . I have not in any way contradicted that or backed down from it . There are ways it could be done , restaurants for non isolation , other ones who choose to continue the rules. Introduce choice and freedom for business , you don't want to take that risk , get a delivery instead . Why do you want me to say it again and again ? ...you complain about the same answers , so stop asking the same questions . If you can get your answer from my previous posts , why don't you do that ?

Where have I said to follow the rules? Where have I even implied I agree with them?

I don't think they are strong enough to serve any purpose.

You still haven't answered how you think people taking risks on other people's behalf is acceptable?

You're just saying that those who disagree with you need to lock themselves away or join others taking the risk. Why is it all or nothing?

In not complaining about the same answers, you've never answered that.

Anyone that just wants to act like nothing is happening and make the risk to those trying their best to avoid this even greater is just being selfish.

You've not answered that once but continually brought up other scenarios that are unrelated to try and justify what you're saying.

What I'm saying is simple, if you're acting like this doesn't exist and everything is normal then you're being selfish and to use your turn of phrase, throwing meat in the grinder that would otherwise have been people with families and friends who loved them before they were unnecessarily turned in to meat for the grinder because others are too selfish to change their ways for however long it takes.

 

[Badboybez]

Stay Lucky

 

[burnt fingers]

I'm going to step in again

I can understand you wish to have freedom of choice and have fun take risks but if you get sick will you be admitted hospital so myself or my colleagues can help you live or survive if you contracted COVID even though you disagree with the rules and if we expand that by thousands of others all doing the same at what point do you think it is fair that I should risk my health and others, to help you and the thousands of people who disagree with the rules to continue to live a life of no restriction because you disagree with some rules

Had that discussion with a couple of ex girlfriends , one a doctor , one a paramedic . The paramedic was as I expected she would be , even more enthusiastic than me , compulsory nightclubbing for under 30s , covid parties for kids and she had a BBQ with over a dozen people at the weekend . 20 odd years of picking junkies up from the streets of Glasgow has left a certain attitude behind , don't ever be looking for compassion there lol .

The doctor was more balanced , thought the idea had some validity to it but needed refined . we decided some kind of national register where those willing to take said risks accept that they will be low priority and may not receive medical treatment . But the freedom of choice of businesses and the public resonated with her . Provided people knew that a particular business and clientel were operating as normal and others still had the choice of businesses where lockdown rules were implemented . Plus certain essential places like pharmacies , supermarkets etc still kept to the rules .
So she was fine with it if certain guidelines and caveats were in place. It could be done , it's essentially what they are doing now anyway , they are taking a chance with a certain portion of the population , the rules we have are lip service , if they worked the infection rate wouldn't be rising as it is . I really don't think it would rise much quicker anyway , and those who choose to just carry on are the ones less likely to require hospital . I go to the gym 4 times a week , load of people sweating , breathing , handling the same items between each other and nobody in a mask . Out of there all pile into Bill's for the garden platter then round Sainsbury's ...really will it make much difference if I then stay in the pub till after 10 or meet 7 mates instead of six ?

 

[burnt fingers]

Where have I said to follow the rules? Where have I even implied I agree with them?

I don't think they are strong enough to serve any purpose.

You still haven't answered how you think people taking risks on other people's behalf is acceptable?

You're just saying that those who disagree with you need to lock themselves away or join others taking the risk. Why is it all or nothing?

In not complaining about the same answers, you've never answered that.

Anyone that just wants to act like nothing is happening and make the risk to those trying their best to avoid this even greater is just being selfish.

You've not answered that once but continually brought up other scenarios that are unrelated to try and justify what you're saying.

What I'm saying is simple, if you're acting like this doesn't exist and everything is normal then you're being selfish and to use your turn of phrase, throwing meat in the grinder that would otherwise have been people with families and friends who loved them before they were unnecessarily turned in to meat for the grinder because others are too selfish to change their ways for however long it takes.

You really can't see how I think taking the risk is acceptable yet ???? Are you even reading it ...do you want me to say " meat for the grinder " again ? Seriously this bone is so well chewed .

It's all or nothing , the virus is all or nothing , it's the way it operates . You either have it or don't , you either recover or don't . We either live our lives as normal or we don't . This middle ground life is quite frankly .....shit .

 

[TheLiqidator]

You really can't see how I think taking the risk is acceptable yet ???? Are you even reading it ...do you want me to say " meat for the grinder " again ? Seriously this bone is so well chewed .

It's all or nothing , the virus is all or nothing , it's the way it operates . You either have it or don't , you either recover or don't . We either live our lives as normal or we don't . This middle ground life is quite frankly .....shit .

So fuck everyone else? I get you now.

 

[zouzounaki]

So fuck everyone else? I get you now.

arguing with tories will never get you very far.