Why you should mix your own juice.

[scrumpox]

Directive 2014/40/EU of the European Parliament and of the Council | Planet of the Vapes

OK, so:
1. this ain't law and it's still being challenged. Still time for change.
2. you're assuming that the proposed restriction to 20mg/ml for e-cigarette juice will also apply to concentrated nic supplies which are ingredients and not a finished product intended for vaping. There are existing laws for nicotine restricting the concentration/availability which I don't see being changed here. It mentions that such matters remain within the Member States.

Have you seen anything that suggests the UK government intends to change the way we buy nicotine concentrate?

 

[oldhippydude]

I must say finding info on the tobacco directive on the forum is not the easiest.
I had to use an outside search engine to find the link I posted.

The way I see it, yes you will be able to continue mixing juice after the ban as long as you are happy buying 10ml bottles of unflavoured nic with the tax on it.
Why would you do that when you could buy a litre while it is legal.

 

[oldhippydude]

OK, so:
1. this ain't law and it's still being challenged. Still time for change.
2. you're assuming that the proposed restriction to 20mg/ml for e-cigarette juice will also apply to concentrated nic supplies which are ingredients and not a finished product intended for vaping. There are existing laws for nicotine restricting the concentration/availability which I don't see being changed here. It mentions that such matters remain within the Member States.

Have you seen anything that suggests the UK government intends to change the way we buy nicotine concentrate?

So you are an optomist.Good on ya.
So you expect them stop you buying a 30ml bottle of 20mg but allow liters of 72mg.
All I can say to that is we will see.
Have you seen what is hapening in Holand right now.(please don,t ask for links I read a lot absorb a little)

 

[oldhippydude]

What I expect is the government to change the regulations about poisons licenses to require them for nic of a higher quantity or strength than consumers are allowed, rather than as now only for nic over 75mg.
I have to reason to believe this other than it is the only way I can see them making any new regulations work.

 

[scrumpox]

The way I see it, yes you will be able to continue mixing juice after the ban as long as you are happy buying 10ml bottles of unflavoured nic with the tax on it.
Why would you do that when you could buy a litre while it is legal.

I don't read it like that at all. I see a separation between finished products and ingredients.

So you are an optomist.Good on ya.
So you expect them stop you buying a 30ml bottle of 20mg but allow liters of 72mg.
All I can say to that is we will see.
Have you seen what is hapening in Holand right now.(please don,t ask for links I read a lot absorb a little)

Challenging your pessimism does not make me an optimist, I'm far from it actually. How would you expect UK juice manfacturers to continue trading if they have to buy nicotine at a concentration level of 20mg/ml?

What I expect is the government to change the regulations about poisons licenses to require them for nic of a higher quantity or strength than consumers are allowed, rather than as now only for nic over 75mg.
I have to reason to believe this other than it is the only way I can see them making any new regulations work.

This would fall outside the EU directive. Why do you have this expectation? I ask again, what changes to UK legislation are you referring to?

 

[ZT]

What I expect is the government to change the regulations about poisons licenses to require them for nic of a higher quantity or strength than consumers are allowed, rather than as now only for nic over 75mg.
I have to reason to believe this other than it is the only way I can see them making any new regulations work.

For what its worth ... If this directive does go thru as is .. I think you are totally correct

you will NOT be able to buy as a consumer 72mg Nic in massive bottles ... it would be a ridiculous loop hole for them to miss

 

[ZT]

I don't read it like that at all. I see a separation between finished products and ingredients.

Challenging your pessimism does not make me an optimist, I'm far from it actually. How would you expect UK juice manfacturers to continue trading if they have to buy nicotine at a concentration level of 20mg/ml?

This would fall outside the EU directive. Why do you have this expectation? I ask again, what changes to UK legislation are you referring to?

Hey man .. the point is .. I dont think they WANT UK juice manufacturers outside of the massive companies and big pharma / big tobacco ..

having seen some of the rather scary shit they are expecting us to do in draft form .. I feel confident in saying they are aiming squarely at cutting us off at the knees

not trying to get in an argument and its s'not me being pessimistic .. Im actually rather optimistic it will get either a: overturned or b: considerably re negotiated. but as the draft stands at the minute .. well lets just say draconian is not the word

 

[oldhippydude]

I don't read it like that at all. I see a separation between finished products and ingredients.

Challenging your pessimism does not make me an optimist, I'm far from it actually. How would you expect UK juice manfacturers to continue trading if they have to buy nicotine at a concentration level of 20mg/ml?

This would fall outside the EU directive. Why do you have this expectation? I ask again, what changes to UK legislation are you referring to?

I expect juice manufacturer to require either a poisons license or some other form of permit.
The only reason I expect this is otherwise it will be a glaring loophole in their regulations.
You think they will leave this loophole open,I think otherwise. Either they will notice the loophole (if it is one,I am not sure I buy your distinction about ingredients and products) when they come to draft the details of the regulations or they will notice shortly afterwards.
At the end of the day we just believe different things and are acting according to those beliefs.We both have to live with the decisions we make and I assume You are happy for me to built up a wee stock just as I am happy for you to choose not to.
Each to their own.

 

[Chegs]

I fully intend to ignore the regulations and simply buy my nicotine base from outside of the EU if the arse holes are successful in further regulating the regs on nicotine base.

Further to the statements earlier about leaving loopholes, regulators are frequently "blind" to the most obvious holes (tax laws) they leave.

 

[Polo65]

Sadly I agree with oldhippydude, I really don't want too but they are going to require juice manufacture to have some sort of license or permit of some sort. And I think in my opinion they will restrict the Nic content we can buy , I don't want to be agreeing but I have to and it hurts. They are all chunts , that's it I am not going to say anything else on the subject because it makes me so fecking angry. Peace out