Boris Johnson says a second wave has arived!

[Enoch]

The gov statisticians aren’t looking at the number of deaths today as the problem (sad as they are). They’re looking at the number of new confirmed infections today, and calculating roughly how many people are going to die in the next 3-5 weeks. People don’t die of Covid 19 straight away, if there’s a huge spike in confirmed infections happening now, the spike in deaths will be in 3-5 weeks time. There weren’t 1000 deaths a day in March when we went in to lockdown, deaths peaked in April and May.

I don’t think any comparison between Covid and smoking serves any purpose whatsoever tbh, it doesn’t clarify anything

It sis preventable deaths much the same way using preventative measures for covid is preventative deaths.

Im saying would people still be routinely ok with smoking if they knew for a fact how many people died every day of it in comprison.

There was thousands in march mate, started end of march the massive increase in deaths.

But you touched on something there, estimating how many will die. So guessing in a nutshell. Yet if we break down who are dying (which we still aren't in all honesty) then it does paint a different picture. If the vast majoirty of deaths are over 75 for example then that isn't the entire country, it just needs protection for such an age group. Locking an antire country down for a certain age group is a little OTT now, whereas back in March it was the right thing to do.

Just my opinion

 

[zouzounaki]

It sis preventable deaths much the same way using preventative measures for covid is preventative deaths.

Im saying would people still be routinely ok with smoking if they knew for a fact how many people died every day of it in comprison.

There was thousands in march mate, started end of march the massive increase in deaths.

But you touched on something there, estimating how many will die. So guessing in a nutshell. Yet if we break down who are dying (which we still aren't in all honesty) then it does paint a different picture. If the vast majoirty of deaths are over 75 for example then that isn't the entire country, it just needs protection for such an age group. Locking an antire country down for a certain age group is a little OTT now, whereas back in March it was the right thing to do.

Just my opinion

how could it be the right thing to do in march, but not the right thing to do now? we are quickly approaching the same situation we were in in march, no?

 

[Simon G]

It sis preventable deaths much the same way using preventative measures for covid is preventative deaths.

Im saying would people still be routinely ok with smoking if they knew for a fact how many people died every day of it in comprison.

There was thousands in march mate, started end of march the massive increase in deaths.

But you touched on something there, estimating how many will die. So guessing in a nutshell. Yet if we break down who are dying (which we still aren't in all honesty) then it does paint a different picture. If the vast majoirty of deaths are over 75 for example then that isn't the entire country, it just needs protection for such an age group. Locking an antire country down for a certain age group is a little OTT now, whereas back in March it was the right thing to do.

Just my opinion

This might shock you, but the average age of people that have died of Covid-19 is 82.

... and over half the people that have died in my county, have been in care homes (44 out of 83)

 

[Crewella]

how could it be the right thing to do in march, but not the right thing to do now? we are quickly approaching the same situation we were in in march, no?

No, I'm not sure we are. We are better prepared, we have more testing and we know more about the virus and how to treat it?

 

[Mr Ripple]

No, I'm not sure we are. We are better prepared, we have more testing and we know more about the virus and how to treat it?

And there's 20,000 less vulnerable people in care homes left for it to take

 

[zouzounaki]

No, I'm not sure we are. We are better prepared, we have more testing and we know more about the virus and how to treat it?

i’m not sure how testing will make a difference. it’s a shambles and the cases are spiralling even with the alleged testing system. people that were hospitalised, who are the most likely to die, were being tested in march anyway.

i’m not sure they are much more advanced with how to treat it either.

 

[Simon G]

And there's 20,000 less vulnerable people in care homes left for it to take

It's easy to say in hindsight, but knowing what we know now... we should have isolated all the care homes and vulnerable people (cancer patients etc) immediately... paid the staff triple wages to live in or whatever and let everyone else battle it off. It would have cost us less in deaths and money probably.

 

[Crewella]

i’m not sure how testing will make a difference. it’s a shambles and the cases are spiralling even with the alleged testing system. people that were hospitalised, who are the most likely to die, were being tested in march anyway.

i’m not sure they are much more advanced with how to treat it either.

I think you've missed the point - countries are now testing in the wider community and catching more asymptomatic and mildly ill cases, fewer of those cases are being hospitalised?

 

[zouzounaki]

It's easy to say in hindsight, but knowing what we know now... we should have isolated all the care homes and vulnerable people (cancer patients etc) immediately... paid the staff triple wages to live in or whatever and let everyone else battle it off. It would have cost us less in deaths and money probably.

channel 4 news were saying the other day that the policy in england and wales still is that people that have tested positive can be discharged from hospitals to care homes. you would think they would learned and followed scotland’s lead.

 

[zouzounaki]

I think you've missed the point - countries are now testing in the wider community and catching more asymptomatic and mildly ill cases, fewer of those cases are being hospitalised?

asymptomatic people and people with mild symptoms wouldn’t be hospitalised.