Boris Johnson says a second wave has arived!

[Crewella]

And there's 20,000 less vulnerable people in care homes left for it to take

This didn't look promising either.

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-09-17...pare-to-take-coronavirus-patients-within-days

 

[Crewella]

asymptomatic people and people with mild symptoms wouldn’t be hospitalised.

Exactly.

 

[Mr Ripple]

This didn't look promising either.

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-09-17...pare-to-take-coronavirus-patients-within-days

 

[zouzounaki]

Exactly.

they would never have been hospitalised, whether they had been tested or not. testing isn’t anything to do with that. why would somebody with no symptoms, or only mild ones, be hospitalised?

am i misunderstanding what’s you mean? i think i maybe.

 

[Mr Ripple]

It's easy to say in hindsight, but knowing what we know now... we should have isolated all the care homes and vulnerable people (cancer patients etc) immediately... paid the staff triple wages to live in or whatever and let everyone else battle it off. It would have cost us less in deaths and money probably.

I work in some care homes and they did lock down totally around 2-3 weeks before the national lockdown.
It was the government's decission to clear out hospitals to make way for covid patients that caused the 20,000 deaths because they were discharging patients from hospitals into care homes that had contracted covid in hospital.

 

[Crewella]

they would never have been hospitalised, whether they had been tested or not. testing isn’t anything to do with that. why would somebody with no symptoms, or only mild ones, be hospitalised?

am i misunderstanding what’s you mean? i think i maybe.

I think you are - I was trying to point out that we are in a very different position now from the position we were, even with similar case numbers, back at the beginning? The numbers of hospital admissions and (please God) deaths are not following the case numbers in the same way as they were then.

 

[zouzounaki]

I think you are - I was trying to point out that we are in a very different position now from the position we were, even with similar case numbers, back at the beginning? The numbers of hospital admissions and (please God) deaths are not following the case numbers in the same way as they were then.

i thought that hospital admissions and deaths are likely to reflect the number of positive cases after 3-5 weeks. i read that somewhere, but maybe have picked it up wrong?

 

[Simon G]

I work in some care homes and they did lock down totally around 2-3 weeks before the national lockdown.
It was the government's decission to clear out hospitals to make way for covid patients that caused the 20,000 deaths because they were discharging patients from hospitals into care homes that had contracted covid in hospital.

I can see both sides to that I guess..... Hospitals aren't care homes. It's not the case that everyone who tests positive stays in hospital, you go home and isolate, unless you need to be in intensive care or whatever. We didn't have the beds to keep everyone who's positive in a hospital, not forgetting all the other people that need to be in hospital for other serious reasons. It's grim and I don't have the answer but it's not simple is it...

 

[Crewella]

i thought that hospital admissions and deaths are likely to reflect the number of positive cases after 3-5 weeks. i read that somewhere, but maybe have picked it up wrong?

Yep that's fair, and that does seem to be happening across Europe, but not to the same degree as it did at the beginning. By more testing in the wider community you catch more of the younger people with symptoms that mostly don't require hospital treatment.

Trump's been trying to cling to that little nugget for weeks.

 

[Crewella]

I can see both sides to that I guess..... Hospitals aren't care homes. It's not the case that everyone who tests positive stays in hospital, you go home and isolate, unless you need to be in intensive care or whatever. We didn't have the beds to keep everyone who's positive in a hospital, not forgetting all the other people that need to be in hospital for other serious reasons. It's grim and I don't have the answer but it's not simple is it...

But they were sending people with Covid-19 to the places last on the list for PPE and tests, who were trying to shield the most vulnerable to Covid-19? With little or no support?