Boris Johnson says a second wave has arived!

[Simon G]

But they were sending people with Covid-19 to the places last on the list for PPE and tests, who were trying to shield the most vulnerable to Covid-19? With little or no support?

yeah, that's a problem.

... but as it says in the link you posted "Care homes have expertise in containing infections and some willingly accept Covid-19 patients, isolating them in separate wings of their homes." So I guess it just depends on the Home, I'm not looking to blame anyone, that solves nothing.... I don't know what the consequences of keeping them all in hospital would have been either.

 

[Crewella]

yeah, that's a problem.

... but as it says in the link you posted "Care homes have expertise in containing infections and some willingly accept Covid-19 patients, isolating them in separate wings of their homes." So I guess it just depends on the Home, I'm not looking to blame anyone, that solves nothing.... I don't know what the consequences of keeping them all in hospital would have been either.

I'm hoping that phrase you quoted does mean these things are taken into consideration.

 

[Simon G]

I'm hoping that phrase you quoted does mean these things are taken into consideration.

I honestly don't know mate, I'm not even sure why I'm commenting.

 

[Crewella]

I honestly don't know mate, I'm not even sure why I'm commenting.

I'm not into 'blame' either ........... but I am into people working out what went wrong and trying to learn from that.

 

[Mr Ripple]

yeah, that's a problem.

... but as it says in the link you posted "Care homes have expertise in containing infections and some willingly accept Covid-19 patients, isolating them in separate wings of their homes." So I guess it just depends on the Home, I'm not looking to blame anyone, that solves nothing.... I don't know what the consequences of keeping them all in hospital would have been either.

Just clearing this up.
At the start of the pandemic and lockdown there were many vulnerable people that lived in care homes that were already in hospital for one reason or another.
It was these people that were ejected from hospitals back into the care homes without testing that had contracted covid whilst in hospital.
This caused covid to spread through care homes.

The big point now is that won't happen again so this time round we've got a 20,000 death count head start.

 

[Simon G]

Just clearing this up.
At the start of the pandemic and lockdown there were many vulnerable people that lived in care homes that were already in hospital for one reason or another.
It was these people that were ejected from hospitals back into the care homes without testing that had contracted covid whilst in hospital.
This caused covid to spread through care homes.

The big point now is that won't happen again so this time round we've got a 20,000 death count head start.

Ah, I see .... that makes more sense, it was Zou going on about sending them back after testing positive that was confusing me. I should know by now not to listen to him.

 

[zouzounaki]

I can see both sides to that I guess..... Hospitals aren't care homes. It's not the case that everyone who tests positive stays in hospital, you go home and isolate, unless you need to be in intensive care or whatever. We didn't have the beds to keep everyone who's positive in a hospital, not forgetting all the other people that need to be in hospital for other serious reasons. It's grim and I don't have the answer but it's not simple is it...

scotland implemented a rule (in april, i think?) that a person needs to test negative twice before they can be discharged to a care home.

it’s not the same as going home yourself and isolating. most people that live in care homes can’t do most things for themselves and need to have close contact with people multiple times a day, and care homes themselves can sometimes accommodate 100s of such people.

edit: they did this after a similar scandal to the one in the rest of the uk, which is currently subject to an inquiry.

 

[zouzounaki]

Ah, I see .... that makes more sense, it was Zou going on about sending them back after testing positive that was confusing me. I should know by now not to listen to him.

in england and wales that will still happen. covid positive people who have contracted it in hospitals will be discharged to care homes, like i told you. it was on the telly.

 

[zouzounaki]

https://www.channel4.com/news/care-...essure-to-accept-hospital-patients-with-covid

“
Tonight, amid worrying signs that coronavirus cases are spreading to care homes, this programme can reveal that hospitals are again getting ready to rapidly discharge people with the virus into them.

One leading specialist has told us it could become “commonplace” in England this winter, despite the huge death toll the country has already experienced.

And we have seen a leaked contract from Greater Manchester’s Trafford Council – asking care homes to accept patients from hospitals who are Covid positive – as our correspondent Ciaran Jenkins now reports.

“

 

[Leni]

There was thousands in march mate, started end of march the massive increase in deaths.

But you touched on something there, estimating how many will die. So guessing in a nutshell. Yet if we break down who are dying (which we still aren't in all honesty) then it does paint a different picture. If the vast majoirty of deaths are over 75 for example then that isn't the entire country, it just needs protection for such an age group. Locking an antire country down for a certain age group is a little OTT now, whereas back in March it was the right thing to do.

Just my opinion

There were not thousands in March, Covid deaths in the UK peaked in mid-April, a few weeks after we went into lockdown.

Just so we’re clear, I haven’t suggested that having another lockdown is the right thing to do. All the scientists and medical experts that are estimating are NOT guessing though. They now know roughly what percentage of people the virus will kill, and how long it takes to kill them, and who’s most vulnerable. They know which drugs can help some of those severely ill with the virus, which should help lessen the death toll to some degree. Using the best brains they’ve got, and the data they already have, to plan for future eventualities is what governments do, all the time. If it were as simple as just protecting people in a specific age group, or those who are particularly vulnerable for some reason, then we wouldn’t already have fifty-odd thousand people dead. Because we completely failed first time round.