Dr Mike Yeadon

[zouzounaki]

I though he came across as pretty balanced to be honest, I have my own suspicions about how this Government is using this Virus for it's own means, and I don't know what is so hard to believe about a Tory Government being corrupt, and Scientists and mainstream media backing them, you only have to take Vaping as an example of the scaremongering that's achievable if they all work together !!!

i 100% agree that the government are using this situation in some ways for their own means. they are corrupt.

but the idea that there are hardly any cases of covid, that half or more positive tests are false, and that somebody has deliberately set this up as a pretext for a lockdown is absurd.

if it’s true, who are the people in hospitals with covid on ventilators and dying? actors? how come ICUs are filling up? i was talking to a close relative this morning who told me her ward and another one has been closed and is being repurposed as a standby ICU because the existing one is full of covid patients. this is after a couple of months with few cases there. are these clinical professionals being tricked? or are they also in the know?

 

[oldhippydude]

Fortunately, science isn't democratic and cares less what the majority believe.
Interesting. I would be very suspicious of anyone telling me that power is not being misused in order to create fear. Have you lost your sense of smell and taste?
Unless he's not interested at all in the conspiracy, only the science. If he's correct it will be up to others to handle the fallout.

Seems to me that in times of crisis people become averse to complexity and seek simplicity, they seek unity and avoid division, they want strong leadership and they stop listening to the contrary view. It's amazing to see how normal behaviours change, how different opinions are shut down and establishment views become so attractive. Maybe I am naive but I'm not saying he's right, I just don't want every other opinion dismissed so readily.

On science it is true that that the majority view is not always true. It is the case however that the consensus view is generally closer to the truth than the fringe views. Mr Yeadon is making an extraordinarily claim that the pandemic is more or less over, that would require some extraordinary evidence to get me on board.

It strikes me that lockdown sceptics are over inclined to be drawn towards dodgy science. A perfectly good case could be made against lockdown based on the total cost to society, economic, health, social and cultural. Society is definitely paying a high price in all these areas and it remains to be seen whether we think it is a price worth paying in the years to come. Adding dodgy science into the mix does not help the sceptics case.

I do not believe I have ever taken issue with anyone making a case against lockdown or for less restrictions. I have several times taken issue with what I believe is dodgy science.

You do not believe this guy about the level of false positive covid tests. If you believe the stuff he says about the cost to society being too high then there are others making that case without resorting to dodgy science. Claiming we should not lockdown because the pandemic is basically over is stupid and does not help widening the debate.

 

[Crewella]

....... also, science may not be democratic but scientists do require funding ......... and because of that cannot always be trusted to be impartial. We've seen enough of that in vaping.

 

[scrumpox]

On science it is true that that the majority view is not always true. It is the case however that the consensus view is generally closer to the truth than the fringe views. Mr Yeadon is making an extraordinarily claim that the pandemic is more or less over, that would require some extraordinary evidence to get me on board.

It strikes me that lockdown sceptics are over inclined to be drawn towards dodgy science. A perfectly good case could be made against lockdown based on the total cost to society, economic, health, social and cultural. Society is definitely paying a high price in all these areas and it remains to be seen whether we think it is a price worth paying in the years to come. Adding dodgy science into the mix does not help the sceptics case.

I do not believe I have ever taken issue with anyone making a case against lockdown or for less restrictions. I have several times taken issue with what I believe is dodgy science.

You do not believe this guy about the level of false positive covid tests. If you believe the stuff he says about the cost to society being too high then there are others making that case without resorting to dodgy science. Claiming we should not lockdown because the pandemic is basically over is stupid and does not help widening the debate.

The foundation of your argument rests on dodgy science. Unless I understand this incorrectly Dr Yeadon is not performing any science here at all, he's using his knowledge to say that the data gathering and by extension the interpretation of it is flawed.
What I believe isn't material, nor is what you believe. Should his point about false positives be dismissed as the ramblings of a dodgy scientist and rabid conspiracy theorist? Is the veracity of the data gathering and the interpretation of it beyond question? Most importantly, is the resulting political policy making by the UK government also beyond question? Seems to me that people desperately want to answer yes to all these questions and that would require more faith than science.

i think I will remain as sceptical of Dr Yeadon as I am of Professor Whitty and Sir Patrick Valance ... as for the UK Government ...

 

[scrumpox]

but the idea that there are hardly any cases of covid, that half or more positive tests are false, and that somebody has deliberately set this up as a pretext for a lockdown is absurd.

To me this is a false dichotomy ... just liike you, Zou, I think incompetence and opportunism are far bigger factors, as are the consequences of years of austerity measures

 

[zouzounaki]

To me this is a false dichotomy ... just liike you, Zou, I think incompetence and opportunism are far bigger factors, as are the consequences of years of austerity measures

aye on the cause of the mess we are in, i think we do agree.

 

[ZT]

They have now found this nefarious spider in the UK thought to be extinct
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Species ?

 

["Misfit"]

Species ?

The Great Fox-Spider
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/ukne...d-site-after-quarter-of-a-century/ar-BB1azo1s

 

[Rickster]

Fortunately, science isn't democratic and cares less what the majority believe.
Interesting. I would be very suspicious of anyone telling me that power is not being misused in order to create fear. Have you lost your sense of smell and taste?
Unless he's not interested at all in the conspiracy, only the science. If he's correct it will be up to others to handle the fallout.

Seems to me that in times of crisis people become averse to complexity and seek simplicity, they seek unity and avoid division, they want strong leadership and they stop listening to the contrary view. It's amazing to see how normal behaviours change, how different opinions are shut down and establishment views become so attractive. Maybe I am naive but I'm not saying he's right, I just don't want every other opinion dismissed so readily.

Aye, fear in a time of crisis changes folks behaviours

https://citizenjournos.com/conversa...-OyWpTt6d82Skz5i4wupG4y9lUpnwg4Gh8QESF1ao-Wgg

 

[djt]

Hahaahaha its great listening to all you leftie nerds